From: Alex <agrambot@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: mvoteiza@udel.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org, yuri.v.khan@gmail.com
Subject: Re: master d014a5e: Use fixed-pitch font for display-line-numbers
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 18:09:43 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87d192k1bs.fsf@lylat> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <834lufh5gc.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 14 Jul 2017 09:56:35 +0300")
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: Alex <agrambot@gmail.com>
>> Cc: Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan@gmail.com>, mvoteiza@udel.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org
>> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 14:15:17 -0600
>>
>> Where does the code tell a different story? If you mean
>> `face-font-family-alternatives', then I believe it is faulty (see
>> below).
>
> Faulty or not, it tells its story better than the name does.
I agree, though I believe that the end result is counterintuitive
(particularly in Windows). Perhaps there's no helping it.
> Being serif or sans-serif is not the most important attribute of a
> font that Emacs can use as its default. A much more important
> attribute is how many Unicode blocks and characters within those
> blocks a font supports. On my Windows XP, Courier New supports twice
> as many blocks and characters as Consolas; on Windows 8.1 Consolas is
> much better, but still lags in coverage behind Courier New.
>
> So using Consolas just because other applications do that is not
> necessarily TRT for Emacs; we must consider other factors of
> importance to us.
That makes sense. I didn't realize Consolas lagged in that department.
>> I believe the following should happen:
>>
>> * the defaults for the default face and fixed-pitch should align on
>> all systems possible
>>
>> * fixed-pitch should default to what fixed-pitch serif does now
>> (Consolas seems suitable)
>>
>> * fixed-pitch-serif should default to what the default face does
>> currently
>>
>> If this is done, then changing the line-number face to plain "Monospace"
>> should work fine even for Windows.
>
> Sorry, I disagree with making these changes, certainly not for the
> benefit of a minor feature such as display-line-numbers. We have been
> using Courier New by default since about forever; changing that now is
> bound to send ripples all over the place, since many other face- and
> font-related settings are based on that.
That's unfortunate. What about just removing Consolas from the
"Monospace Serif" list, since it's the only sans-serif font in that
list? That would make things a bit more consistent. It would mean that
Windows would default to courier though, so maybe it's not worth it.
> I have now reverted the change which prompted this sub-thread; I hope
> that will make everyone (except James, perhaps ;-) happier, and we can
> put this issue to rest.
Thanks, that's good to hear. However, it is a bit disappointing that
there's no easy way to specify a face that uses the default face if it's
monospaced, and otherwise falls back to a font that is.
Alternatively, what about using fixed-pitch-serif for line-number on
Windows, and fixed-pitch on other platforms?
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[not found] ` <20170711151709.2AE9822E0A@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
2017-07-12 0:09 ` master d014a5e: Use fixed-pitch font for display-line-numbers Mark Oteiza
2017-07-12 2:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-12 3:18 ` Mark Oteiza
2017-07-12 14:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-13 20:18 ` Nicolas Petton
2017-07-14 6:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-14 7:43 ` James Cloos
2017-07-14 11:16 ` Nicolas Petton
2017-07-14 12:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-12 8:06 ` Yuri Khan
2017-07-12 14:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-13 6:13 ` Yuri Khan
2017-07-13 15:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-13 18:07 ` Yuri Khan
2017-07-13 19:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-13 19:17 ` Yuri Khan
2017-07-13 19:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-13 20:15 ` Alex
2017-07-14 6:47 ` Alex
2017-07-14 7:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-14 6:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-15 0:09 ` Alex [this message]
2017-07-15 7:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-14 3:00 ` Stefan Monnier
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