From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Thien-Thi Nguyen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: update intro to Emacs Lisp programming Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 20:58:26 +0200 Message-ID: <87d0xdx965.fsf@gnuvola.org> References: <80DB6796-41FE-4090-B1DD-BF5AE3F4D0CF@scratch.space> <83zi16ofny.fsf@gnu.org> <6A8BB190-FA64-4697-AFDA-EFBEB4886230@scratch.space> <90addb33-6797-b203-4a67-a2a6c201bd81@cs.ucla.edu> <97CEED22-57CE-4715-9239-1557F38AD994@gmail.com> <376AD40E-4EEC-4DC6-ADDA-4E594EAFE1DE@gmail.com> <87bmddvvj8.fsf@mbork.pl> <87in7juhc6.fsf@mbork.pl> <5C62F3FC-7B77-43E5-A907-4060DA0E0219@gmail.com> <6FC095B3-5F73-4E17-B2EB-BE9F98E2009E@gmail.com> <87fu2jh8ds.fsf@mbork.pl> <87bmd52f7w.fsf@gnuvola.org> <876035dpdh.fsf@mbork.pl> Reply-To: Emacs developers NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1528121859 6360 195.159.176.226 (4 Jun 2018 14:17:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 14:17:39 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Emacs developers To: Marcin Borkowski Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 04 16:17:35 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fPqIg-0001Y0-RO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 16:17:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40021 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPqKn-0007Aw-Vu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 10:19:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48846) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPqIV-0005jX-F4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 10:17:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPqIU-0006eF-8u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 10:17:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.agora-net.com ([67.59.132.6]:36004) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPqIU-0006dx-3U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 10:17:22 -0400 Original-Received: from ttn by mail.agora-net.com with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fPqIN-0003tS-Sf; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 10:17:15 -0400 Original-Received: from ttn by zigzag.favinet with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1fO6It-0003qr-5J; Wed, 30 May 2018 20:58:35 +0200 Mail-Followup-To: Emacs developers In-Reply-To: <876035dpdh.fsf@mbork.pl> (Marcin Borkowski's message of "Wed, 30 May 2018 19:28:42 +0200") X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: ttn@gnuvola.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on mail.agora-net.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 67.59.132.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:225993 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable () Marcin Borkowski () Wed, 30 May 2018 19:28:42 +0200 and thanks for your response. (Frankly, I was a bit disappointed in general - I counted on some more replies. And now I don't know whether the Emacs people found my goals offensive or whether just nobody cares...) Another possibility is that writing text is much more hairy than writing programs, and people are wary of doing it on their own, not to mention w/ another person (as you point out below). Definitely, a pair of eyeballs to look for errors/omissions etc. would be great. I'll definitely keep that in mind! Cool. Also, I wouldn't mind some kind of brainstorming about what to include and how to structure the book. Sounds to me like a good posting topic for help-gnu-emacs. That list is helpful in many ways and there are a lot of brains, too! As for writing itself, I'd prefer to do that myself, for a few reasons. [...] Fair enough. I think your approach is wise, especially knowing my own work style/habits, which are sometimes (many times, most of the time?) disorganized. [...] I just don't know you well enough to be sure that we would spend more time writing than fighting over what and how to write;-). After all, we are just proverbial "strangers on the internet"... True. Although i tend to have a thick skin for technical stuff, i know my ego can get in the way for subjective matters. Plus I'd like the book to have a personal touch (a bit like Elisp Intro and unlike most technical documentation), and that makes collaboration much trickier. Personal touch is always the best. Good luck w/ the writing, and please feel free to ping me for proofreading tasks. =2D-=20 Thien-Thi Nguyen ----------------------------------------------- (defun responsep (query) ; (2018) Software Libero (pcase (context query) ; =3D Dissenso Etico (`(technical ,ml) (correctp ml)) ...)) 748E A0E8 1CB8 A748 9BFA =2D-------------------------------------- 6CE4 6703 2224 4C80 7502 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlsO9FUACgkQZwMiJEyAdQKjkwCeNWM4vYerJBkBGk87ib2UYz2g /IQAoKxeXsCP94m0Egb/W5lvOgFuACWI =h6E7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--