From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eric Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: bbdbv3 with rmail Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 09:32:16 -0800 Message-ID: <87d0q4t3of.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1544808671 21163 195.159.176.226 (14 Dec 2018 17:31:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 17:31:11 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Michael Welle Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 14 18:31:07 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gXrIm-0005Ju-5k for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 18:31:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34763 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gXrKs-00018g-MH for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:33:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40856) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gXrK3-00016T-P8 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:32:29 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gXrJz-0003rR-Pu for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:32:23 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.ericabrahamsen.net ([50.56.99.223]:56297) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gXrJz-0003qe-Jx for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:32:19 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (71-212-20-199.tukw.qwest.net [71.212.20.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A86C33F390; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 17:32:17 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail.ericabrahamsen.net; s=mail; t=1544808737; bh=VC8ahSin8Hn0EBwCSfO1k4JFoHQjtHgp0rhXbElCeqg=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=o23g8DGi42mDQW9VLQ5i3/dul4m/zv/ls8KmO07p74/y4KF+E57/UFKndD2D4EBCk kR3pm+SByM7lmCD4ZvQflHN3k9TJUY1bGySPzgeg2N4a9SifJt4qRR9101OXkFCnOe 9QR3+auTPFK0FsNX59WNtNAFaFtew98AKBV3opDU= In-Reply-To: (Michael Welle's message of "Fri, 14 Dec 2018 11:05:42 +0100") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 50.56.99.223 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:118994 Archived-At: Michael Welle writes: > Hello, > > Stefan Monnier writes: > >>>> BBDB seems a good candidate but dunno if v3 is ok (there is really >>>> poor litterature with it) >>> BBDB 3 is a bit arcane and does take time to learn and to get set up >>> for the way you like to work. >> >> Do you happen to have concrete examples at hand of "arcanity" and other >> difficulty you encountered (or which you think someone else would >> encounter)? > I wouldn't use the term arcane, but I think part of the issue -if it is > an issue- is that a lot of (most?) documentation/howtos/tutorials/stuff > out there is for bbdbv2 and that naturally doesn't work anymore with > bbdbv3. As a result, you may need more time to configure stuff to your > liking and you probably need more knowledge about how things work. And > that is putting off a lot of people, I think. > > Well, my personal pet peeve is the design of bbdbv3. As with its > predecessor, support for specific applications is (deeply) build into > bbdb. I think it would be better to provide a nice general interface and > let the application camps (wanderlust, Org, foo, etc.) implement their > use cases. Allow me to very gently point out the existence of EBDB (in the repos), which was designed with this sort of thing in mind. And it has a manual! /shameless plug