From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Core ELPA was: Testing fontification, indentation, and buffer manipulation Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 22:49:54 +0000 Message-ID: <87d0mvd7xp.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <7803c5de-e139-01ed-e9e3-98abb875782b@grinta.net> <87pnsm2vsm.fsf@russet.org.uk> <878sz7u2f5.fsf@russet.org.uk> <87o976p6xt.fsf_-_@russet.org.uk> <87tvgm7fnu.fsf@russet.org.uk> <871s3p5xof.fsf@russet.org.uk> <87wolfc0aw.fsf@russet.org.uk> <87zhq3x93w.fsf@russet.org.uk> <87wol5njx1.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83h8c83xqw.fsf@gnu.org> <83y35k2efi.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="78394"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1.92 (gnu/linux) Cc: Robert Pluim , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 12 23:51:17 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1h3qEu-000KIR-Qe for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 23:51:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34618 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h3qEt-0008Rq-R0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 18:51:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47589) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h3qDg-0007Zt-9T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 18:50:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h3qDf-0000vy-D7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 18:50:00 -0400 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([78.129.138.110]:51760) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h3qDb-0000tc-I8; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 18:49:55 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender :Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=oaLZreqqCv1Wtb3Cwl1xo51Gr0R/QHJlHUbPjxkDgKA=; b=E0JEl25T6XqsybSZPNKNXHeZva 5pvjZpsrVGR+ctF+/COpvU0FfK2RIHAbKIAT4P0PfbaE+lAW3ZW3yFRE/djcBM+htzeR2FZMPGhvp qyDo6bVyzmLULyqKJ/pTD6w3vO+gIreLQjzPEfWrbTPWyYfOn089EfqtSVRziZElnDezmx+BlcKbX 5vJcnyjWn0XpuqnSyefpV83fnmeZFUgDQkdcEWLvXo50S5zbr6mYnjjuNqd3CawA6rRj44qd9o9zI UG1iGesCxNQo2lZHAVxgfdRXLS5anUp8qERuM11Co2KuvT/Rh0Tj8Afrqg9FTI3rQnxFoQreksldR xEw2LLXw==; Original-Received: from cpc142652-benw12-2-0-cust953.16-2.cable.virginm.net ([82.21.43.186]:50196 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1h3qDa-0000yg-Iv; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 22:49:54 +0000 In-Reply-To: <83y35k2efi.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 12 Mar 2019 19:25:05 +0200") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 78.129.138.110 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:234122 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Robert Pluim >> Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA, >> phillip.lord@russet.org.uk >> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 16:52:31 +0100 >>=20 >> Eli> I will note that this is going where XEmacs was before, and I >> Eli> don't think the result was encouraging, FWIW. >>=20 >> Back when I still used XEmacs, downloading the 'sumo' tarball with all >> the packages was the second step I=CA=BCd perform after downloading the >> sources, so in practice splitting them out didn=CA=BCt do much for me. > > That's what I meant: any serious user always wanted the sumo tarball. Yes, I would guess. No problems there, change "emacs.tgz" and "emacs-with-elpa.tgz" into "emacs-minimal.tgz" and "emacs.tgz". > >> OTOH I don=CA=BCt think XEmacs ever had anything like elpa. > > I'm not sure this matters. Downloading files was possible then as > well, albeit more manually. And XEmacs did have a package system. > >> BTW, I may have missed part of the discussion, but why do we need two >> tar balls? > > Because not everyone is on-line all the time. They wouldn't need to be. Just some of the time. Phil