From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Huchler Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow? Date: Sat, 25 May 2019 02:07:22 +0200 Message-ID: <87d0k7s8g5.fsf@mail.de> References: <87zhncsrfn.fsf@mail.de> <87o93rdifh.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="224169"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 25 02:14:47 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hUKKk-000wDu-0f for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 02:14:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33667 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUKKi-0003b3-RF for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 20:14:44 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:34661) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUKDj-0005po-NB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 20:07:32 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUKDi-0000Jk-Mr for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 20:07:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=40046 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUKDi-0000JU-Ez for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 20:07:30 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hUKDg-000oNQ-VZ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 02:07:28 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Cancel-Lock: sha1:XUeCaaqXe3nCe1Z/Vpa8vYyI7Ac= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120624 Archived-At: Robert Thorpe writes: > Stefan Huchler writes: >> >> You barely find a mode that has both defined. C-c c and C-c C-c. > > You don't understand my point. You should not be able to find *any* > mode that defines C-c c. That's because C-c c is in the *users* range > of keybindings. Ahh I thought a while it was meant everything that starts with C-c which would also include C-c C-c as example that explains much :D. > Many users assign lots of of their own > keys. Yes I do that too, but not limited to C-c *. But I understand your problem now with Sticky keys, well then you would have to press C again if you want to use C-c C-c as example, Problem solved. > The problem with your plan is that the effect it would have on this. > Either the user key-range would disappear or it would become very clumsy > to use. I think the ability to define your own keys is an essential > feature of Emacs. Of course that's important I just don't see how it's clumsy? Let's say you want or have defined C-c c as a action just do C + c c instead. And if you want to use C-c C-c you press C + c + C + c. Nothing changes except you don't have to hold C, you could even have both paralell, if you press c while you pressed C it's the normal C-c if you release it in between it counts as the same, but you need to release it and press it again if you want the sticky C-c C-c or you hold it through both C-c-c. I see no real conflict, the only "Problem" I see is that you can't press C once then press c twice and expect C-c C-c. The stickyness only persists for 1 letter afterwards. Does that make sense?