From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Proposal: "C-z " reserved for users Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2021 07:02:48 +0100 Message-ID: <87czx94w3b.fsf@mbork.pl> References: <1973673328.2493716.1612740554692.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1973673328.2493716.1612740554692@mail.yahoo.com> <87r1lqyiyk.fsf@yandex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14339"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.1.0; emacs 28.0.50 Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Colin Baxter Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 09 07:03:43 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l9M7j-0003cS-4E for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 07:03:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43872 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9M7i-0002Zx-5r for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 01:03:42 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60798) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9M6z-0002YA-Ls for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 01:02:57 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:32944) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9M6x-00016R-7l for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 01:02:57 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D106DE671E; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 07:02:53 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fTCyzLkBHHHL; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 07:02:50 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (178235147065.dynamic-3-poz-k-0-1-0.vectranet.pl [178.235.147.65]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B238FE621A; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 07:02:50 +0100 (CET) In-reply-to: <87r1lqyiyk.fsf@yandex.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=195.110.48.8; envelope-from=mbork@mbork.pl; helo=mail.mojserwer.eu X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:127679 Archived-At: On 2021-02-08, at 11:03, Colin Baxter wrote: >>>>>> S Boucher via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor writes: > > > C-z is bound to a low frequency use function > > (suspend-frame)... and speaking for myself, I probably can count > > on one hand the number of times I've used it in the last 25years > > :-) > > > I would suggest:1) move suspend-frame to "C-c C-z" (that is still > > a quick shortcut) 2) reserve C-z for users That still > > leaves a whole lot with C-z C-... C-z M-... > > As way of an illustration of the legion of different emacs usages, I use > C-z to suspend the frame several times a day. This is because I have an > emacs always open in a terminal and C-z is a simple way of getting back > to the terminal - easier, I find, than opening a shell in the already > terminal-running emacs. C-c C-z is not as convenient. But I think nobody is arguing to put anything to C-z by default - only to make it unbound and free for the user to do whatever s/he wishes. Many of us have bound C-z to our custom keymaps, nothing prevents you to bind it to `suspend-frame' - at least if it is free. Even if it were not, you can still do it, of course. (I have C-0 bound to something else than the default - but if I accidentally hit it on someone else's Emacs, nothing terrible happens, it's just a minor inconvenience then.) The main argument here, I guess, is "people sometimes use other people's Emacsen, and in such a case having C-z bound to `suspend-frame' is not only inconvenient, but also dangerous". I don't think anyone can argue with that. Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://mbork.pl