From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Platform independent graphical display for Emacs Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2021 14:19:53 +0100 Message-ID: <87czlmta12.fsf@telefonica.net> References: <87ilvgwfor.fsf@telefonica.net> <83a6grx1o9.fsf@gnu.org> <834k6zwvi1.fsf@gnu.org> <87h7azilmu.fsf@yahoo.com> <87sfujh4a2.fsf@yahoo.com> <877dbuhm6j.fsf@yahoo.com> <87tueyg5gc.fsf@yahoo.com> <87lf0a2uq0.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7aytedn.fsf@telefonica.net> <83mtkqrz14.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34278"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:dx+OCsYt/KDexv/9g9w3QAWfgcY= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 24 14:25:27 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n0kZZ-0008kd-Gp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 24 Dec 2021 14:25:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42144 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n0kZX-0003tF-FM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 24 Dec 2021 08:25:23 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60924) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n0kUU-0000da-E8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Dec 2021 08:20:10 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:50454) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n0kUQ-0003rL-Gm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Dec 2021 08:20:09 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n0kUO-0002En-88 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Dec 2021 14:20:04 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:283139 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> 1: What is "platform-native" varies with each new major release of GTK >> and Windows. > > But it changes for all the GUI applications, not just for Emacs. Which means that they value consistency with other applications that follow the platform standard. However, Emacs is already largely deviant from the platform's UI. On MS-Windows, things like customize-variable shows an interface which has nothing to do with the platform's standard GUI widgets. It seems that the only elements which are "native" in the MS-Windows port are the menu and the dialogs. If we add to that that Emacs has its own way of doing things (M-x command system, interaction through the minibuffer instead of dialogs, different keyboard shorcuts for standard actions like cut&paste, etc.) we could conclude that Emacs already is very alien to MS-Windows/GTK/MacOS UI standards. So I can hardly imagine a typical Emacs user that could make a big issue about the menus or dialogs being a bit different from what his platform's standard ones are, as long as the replacement is not ugly ("ugly" in the sense the motif menu is ugly compared to Lucid and GTK.)