From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Colascione Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal: new default bindings for winner and windmove Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2024 18:07:03 -0400 Message-ID: <87cynw7omw.fsf@dancol.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32064"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Dmitry Gutov , Stefan Kangas , Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 02 00:08:25 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sOPCB-00084A-Sf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 02 Jul 2024 00:08:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sOPBK-0003fw-03; Mon, 01 Jul 2024 18:07:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sOPBF-0003ff-OL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Jul 2024 18:07:26 -0400 Original-Received: from dancol.org ([2600:3c01:e000:3d8::1]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sOPBC-0007FI-GO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Jul 2024 18:07:25 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dancol.org; s=x; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References:In-Reply-To: Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=UbBzBgd1iy/AuL+BRS4OIwwY1EtaGPyq5bVuLKdAog0=; b=YWZPSTtm2a6Ju0yLWVZKq5XuR5 IzoXCNaGJoxB9Dl01NpgpKkpJmZOyRUMFhtVYLJN0ue4HFMbNzMSP9Yp0xGaTc86cxDRwbPYHM3ie MB54Gxix7beoTCbEeq7HRtYTOA/Cf0EqZu7qRJjKHpK/mRq9cJqqLmM74iKKfhQACwpHEWBTEHANG ZrwiO6cYBDuuir9jyPp1LqGSgTsa4kRmCcIMT4Tn/j3yMSEzL1RIY0vNT2fzcc4pYnxe8r43+qGTg JGr4aSszyYePda4S6lPZqcWHBqrQAALmm72Xs5x6q/uslNVIsKDGugrkW0ybWBwmHItLAX1/Rm9+a xJjPyTtg==; Original-Received: from 2603-9001-4203-1ab2-318f-67e7-8a9b-1387.inf6.spectrum.com ([2603:9001:4203:1ab2:318f:67e7:8a9b:1387]:41650 helo=localhost) by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1sOPAt-00089H-2W; Mon, 01 Jul 2024 18:07:04 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Mon, 1 Jul 2024 21:24:54 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2600:3c01:e000:3d8::1; envelope-from=dancol@dancol.org; helo=dancol.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:321070 Archived-At: [Re-sending: accidentally sent narrow reply] Alan Mackenzie writes: > Hello, Dmitry. > > On Mon, Jul 01, 2024 at 14:25:51 +0300, Dmitry Gutov wrote: >> Hi Alan, > >> On 01/07/2024 13:07, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >> > The above is true, but it misses the point. That point is that once the >> > Emacs maintenance team has added a_default_ binding, that can never in >> > the future be changed. People will scream "backward compatibility" >> > until the heat death of the universe. > >> People screaming "backward compatibility" for each and every reason can >> indeed be a problem. > > Yes, but it's a difficult problem. I would be screaming if somebody > suggested removing the bindings C-o or C-M-o, for example. I use these > all the time. But if I were the only user of them, it would be > difficult to argue for their retention in the default key map. I still think we need to find a better binding for C-o, FWIW. I recognize I'm in the minority on this position though, but still, I think I've used C-o maybe once or twice ever. What do you use it for? > On the other hand, C-x w h (highlight-regexp) already has a "more > modern" binding M-s h r, so although I wouldn't be enthused about the > removal of C-x w h, I wouldn't object to it either. What do you think of my previous keybindings-editions proposal? >> We should be able to change default key bindings more freely than we do now. > > Yes, but... Every time we do this, we're upsetting _sombody_'s work > flow. I don't see any way of getting this increased freedom to change. I love how https://xkcd.com/1172/ is about us.