From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mario Lang Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: German tutorial fix Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:40:35 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <87bsbaj318.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> References: <87y9emho8s.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> <200205160722.g4G7M8X18181@aztec.santafe.edu> <3277-Thu16May2002155214+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il> <200205171928.g4HJSdw20390@aztec.santafe.edu> <87znyywagx.fsf@pot.cnuce.cnr.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1021905534 12409 127.0.0.1 (20 May 2002 14:38:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 14:38:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 179oJK-0003E2-00 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 16:38:54 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 179oXJ-0000Mv-00 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 16:53:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 179oJd-0000Te-00; Mon, 20 May 2002 10:39:13 -0400 Original-Received: from 212186194087.graz.teleweb.at ([212.186.194.87] helo=lexx.delysid.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 179oGj-0000Fd-00 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 10:36:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mlang by lexx.delysid.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 179oKz-00017Z-00; Mon, 20 May 2002 16:40:37 +0200 Original-To: bob@rattlesnake.com In-Reply-To: ("Robert J. Chassell"'s message of "Sun, 19 May 2002 15:44:43 -0400 (EDT)") Original-Lines: 33 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) Emacs/21.2 (i386-debian-linux-gnu) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:4179 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:4179 "Robert J. Chassell" writes: > What I think we don't need is to explain, demonstrate, and drill the > user in basic cursor motion. > > Drilling them is what teaches them to use C-f rather than an arrow key. > So maybe it is still worth while to drill them. > > I think that using C-f instead of the arrow key is very advanced usage. > > On the contrary, using C-f is basic and enables a slow and > inexperienced typist to learn to type faster. > > When a novice learns to take his or her hand off the keyboard, he or > she forgoes the chance to advance, since it is impossible to learn to > work well when using arrow keys or the mouse. Uhm, thats nice. So it's impossible for me to work well. Nice, good that I now know this. Please stop this thread, it's extremely pointless. I, for my part, use cursor keys. I use a laptop sized keyboard, so I really don't need to move my hands that far. And everytime I try to use C-f C-b C-n C-p it feels like it's much more strain for my left hand. On the other hand, M-f and M-b and alike are really useful, as they move more than one char. But having to hit two keys to achieve one movement feels just wrong to me. So I think we can conclude that there are different viewpoints, and that there is no single best solution. -- CYa, Mario