From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [jidanni@deadspam.com: modeline doesn't divulge buffer will go bye bye] Date: 25 Jun 2002 06:36:32 +0900 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <87bsa09x5r.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> References: <200206201435.g5KEZLF18772@aztec.santafe.edu> <5xu1nxh6o7.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> <200206221720.g5MHKLj16237@rum.cs.yale.edu> <877kkrw1pz.fsf@emacswiki.org> <200206231812.g5NICiS24452@aztec.santafe.edu> <87r8ixazu9.fsf@emacswiki.org> <200206241940.g5OJe8v26290@aztec.santafe.edu> <87u1nse5qr.fsf@emacswiki.org> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1024954759 30131 127.0.0.1 (24 Jun 2002 21:39:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:39:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17MbYN-0007ps-00 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:39:19 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17MbZh-0005sS-00 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:40:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17MbYF-0004tN-00; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:39:11 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp01.fields.gol.com ([203.216.5.131]) by fencepost.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17MbWR-0004gk-00; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:37:19 -0400 Original-Received: from tc-2-212.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.25.212] helo=tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp) by smtp01.fields.gol.com with esmtp (Magnetic Fields) id 17MbWP-0004RL-00; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 06:37:17 +0900 Original-Received: by tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E81EE30A4; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 06:36:32 +0900 (JST) Original-To: Alex Schroeder System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: <87u1nse5qr.fsf@emacswiki.org> Original-Lines: 25 X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:5173 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:5173 Alex Schroeder writes: > We both agree on the goal. I think the best semantics for this is > "When a user creates a non-temporary buffer (according to our naming > conventions), treat this buffer as an unsaved file. It is precious, > do auto-saving." This is a big change in emacs' behavior. I often create _lots_ of small random buffers with wierd names, to hold random data (by doing `C-x C-b' and typing junk). I expect these to go away if I exit, and if I want something more permanent, I visit a file. I don't mind if emacs informs me on the mode-line that my scratch buffers won't be saved, but I _do not_ want emacs to suddenly ask me whether I want to save each one when I exit. > If they see a visible, seemingly non-temporary buffer in the > buffer list, they may expect that everything they type into it will be > auto-saved, and it will never be discarded without asking. Who's `they'? As you can see, I expect just the opposite. -Miles -- `Life is a boundless sea of bitterness'