From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Where is @node Copying in the lispref? Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 19:55:35 +0900 Organization: The XEmacs Project Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <87brygpcns.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87znm4q9b6.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <5567-Sat03May2003220119+0300-eliz@elta.co.il> <87u1cbqeem.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1052221410 20854 80.91.224.249 (6 May 2003 11:43:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 11:43:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Tue May 06 13:43:28 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19D0pS-0005Iu-00 for ; Tue, 06 May 2003 13:41:50 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19D0sv-0005pI-00 for ; Tue, 06 May 2003 13:45:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19D0FQ-0000bA-00 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Tue, 06 May 2003 07:04:36 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 19D0F4-0000aN-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 May 2003 07:04:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 19D08F-0007vL-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 May 2003 06:57:14 -0400 Original-Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.98.109]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19D07U-0006bt-00; Tue, 06 May 2003 06:56:25 -0400 Original-Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19D06h-00055W-00; Tue, 06 May 2003 19:55:35 +0900 Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Mon, 05 May 2003 10:32:35 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.090016 (Oort Gnus v0.16) XEmacs/21.5 (cabbage) Original-cc: eliz@elta.co.il X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:13717 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:13717 >>>>> "rms" == Richard Stallman writes: rms> Would you please lay out the facts of the problem, and why rms> you think it is a problem. Your description was fragmentary, rms> and I can't tell if there is a real problem or not. I am rms> unable to follow the subsequent discussion. The file elisp.texi declares ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.1 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with the Invariant Sections being ``Copying'', with the Front-Cover texts being ``A GNU Manual'', and with the Back-Cover Texts as in (a) below. A copy of the license is included in the section entitled ``GNU Free Documentation License''. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The section "Copying" is referenced here as an invariant section, and in several menus in vol1.texi and vol2.texi (perhaps they are obsolete?), but does not exist in the Lispref in CVS head as far as I could find (ie, 'fgrep Copying *.texi*'). I believe that this makes all copying of the Lispref risky, even verbatim copying, as it appears that the legally required section may be missing. I suspect it makes modified versions illegal. My guess was that the invariant section needs to refer to the node containing the FDL. Either the node could be renamed to "Copying" or the invariant section could be changed to "GNU Free Documentation License". Eli said that it's the GNU GPL that is the intended invariant section, in which case the invariant section would be "GNU General Public License". Looking at the example of the Emacs manual (where "Copying" == the GPL, "Distribution", and "The GNU Manifesto" are invariant), I guess that's the likely possibility. N.B. If vol1.texi and vol2.texi are obsolete, they should be removed, I think. Else they probably should be updated to correspond to the menu in elisp.ref. Furthermore, they appear to contain different licensing terms for the lispref (namely, the GPL). -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.