From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bill Wohler Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Reset buttons in Customize Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 21:51:33 -0800 Organization: Newt Software Message-ID: <87bqyp6h0a.fsf@olgas.newt.com> References: <200512210254.jBL2sj814876@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <87d5jqrvuo.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <200512212219.jBLMJ3R29494@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <87lkydx021.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <200512220351.jBM3pvX02615@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <8764phpyvf.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <200512230029.jBN0TgT16314@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <1135392570.183714.29626.nullmailer@Update.UU.SE> <200512250324.jBP3OdM16529@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200601022026.k02KQQh21528@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <877j9fg9j6.fsf_-_@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1136526722 30657 80.91.229.2 (6 Jan 2006 05:52:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 05:52:02 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 06 06:52:00 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EukW7-00010W-U9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 06:52:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EukXt-0004Q6-6h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 00:53:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EukXg-0004Px-L7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 00:53:36 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EukXd-0004PV-1y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 00:53:36 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EukXc-0004PS-T7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 00:53:32 -0500 Original-Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1EukZK-0005R6-5J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 00:55:18 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EukVo-0000yF-8H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 06:51:40 +0100 Original-Received: from h-68-166-188-239.snvacaid.dynamic.covad.net ([68.166.188.239]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 06:51:40 +0100 Original-Received: from wohler by h-68-166-188-239.snvacaid.dynamic.covad.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 06:51:40 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 29 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: h-68-166-188-239.snvacaid.dynamic.covad.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:sW89uxZZsJziVszKja74SNuCgvk= X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:48781 Archived-At: I think Chong's idea about making all changes persist is a great one. It's something that I've thought about. It will simplify the interface a LOT since most of the buttons would go away. That said, I use Set for Current Session a LOT (as do most of you) so we'll have to do something about that. After the release. For now, a couple of name tweaks, without changing the semantics as Richard suggests is wise. I've never like Erase Customization. How about just Default? The Reset to Current has always baffled me. I *think* it means to change the settings to what they were before Customize was entered, but I'm not sure. I had thought of Undo; this was validated by Luc's message. It's not a Revert; that command is better suited for reverting from the saved setting in .emacs. We can make the buttons at the top one line with probably more clarity: Set Save Undo Revert Default Finish Ditto for the menu items. What the heck is Reset to Backup and Show Value Widget? -- Bill Wohler http://www.newt.com/wohler/ GnuPG ID:610BD9AD Maintainer of comp.mail.mh FAQ and MH-E. Vote Libertarian! If you're passed on the right, you're in the wrong lane.