From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hadron Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: EmacsW32 invocation options Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 00:38:48 +0200 Message-ID: <87bqh2c0lj.fsf@gmail.com> References: <59osrdF2m97hgU1@mid.individual.net> <4637A396.9000300@gmail.com> <46383B57.6050508@gmail.com> <4638EE03.8000602@gmail.com> <87mz0nq8od.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1178148842 22141 80.91.229.12 (2 May 2007 23:34:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 23:34:02 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 03 01:33:59 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HjOKY-0007ax-Nl for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 May 2007 01:33:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HjOR0-0000fO-Ti for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 19:40:34 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newshub.stanford.edu!syros.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 56 Original-X-Trace: individual.net zyHK+uHZ2xML+fAKrn69wwF6YdVXPXtP9SfWnVg4P2b7Bl1aSn X-Orig-Path: news.individual.net!news X-Face: 2h#||Cd#d%F*NCm59[_6/{1a@jy%; |j>{D~4^gKg(^i%7j0IK?+,/GmW&:CD5fEKb_! User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/22.0.99 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:fLRmSgPB2xJSuQsO04MVC0nx2JI= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:147953 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:43557 Archived-At: "Juanma Barranquero" writes: > On 5/2/07, Hadron wrote: > >> A brief browse of forums and the emacs irc channel suggests that most/a >> good % of people do indeed find it daunting to get emacs working under >> windows. > > Do you mean, more people find it daunting to get Emacs working on > Windows than on GNU/Linux? I remember years ago I certainly did. But having abandoned Windows now I can only report from my perception/experience. > >> I am surprised you would disagree. What is simple to you is not >> necessarily simple for complete newbies - most of whom I would guess run >> Windows. > > The kind of things that make Emacs difficult are not going to > disappear by making emacsclient start Emacs. A complete newbie must be > ready to delve into a (very good, but extensive) documentation, and > perhaps even do some elisp programming, to take full advantage of > Emacs. There are many things in emacs which can and should be simplified. The server thing is one such. I see no reason whatsoever that emacsclient cant do exactly the same as "server-start" - certainly on a single machine. or maybe default to using the system clipboard for cut & paste. Things like that turn new users away. Saying "its because thats the way it is" is inflexible and non productive. ps if anyone with any shout reads this - is there any change update-alternatives could change emacsclient when it changes emacs? I constantly fall foul of that. > >> By far the most important thing to >> instill in any emacs apprentice is to learn how to use the built in >> help. > > Exactly. I did three attempts over the years before I finally warmed > to Emacs. The definitive push was taking the time to follow the > tutorial and read at least some of the docs. I can't disagree with that. Its very easy to cry for help but its there under your nose all the time. I have made the mistake more than once in emacs and probably will do again. > > Juanma > > --