From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: adamsonj@email.unc.edu (Joel J. Adamson) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs vs. TextMate (not trying to start an editor war) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:52:09 -0400 Message-ID: <87bq1534ba.fsf@edna.homeunix.org> References: <47107.6355003335$1215674200@news.gmane.org> <8f5e7835-91fb-4f34-a913-f08f9762301b@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> <3494d7a7-d36a-4dab-b842-2cfcc5587949@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1215719866 19808 80.91.229.12 (10 Jul 2008 19:57:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:57:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Cezar Halmagean Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 10 21:58:32 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KH2HR-0000pU-Vh for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:58:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36702 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KH2Ga-0000gb-N1 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:57:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KH2GL-0000gI-Gg for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:57:09 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KH2GK-0000g5-4S for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:57:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=39167 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KH2GJ-0000g2-Us for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:57:07 -0400 Original-Received: from smtpsrv1.isis.unc.edu ([152.2.1.140]:48227 helo=smtp.unc.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KH2GJ-0001uP-FJ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:57:07 -0400 Original-Received: from edna (cpe-071-065-251-182.nc.res.rr.com [71.65.251.182]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.unc.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id m6AJu6Oc016439; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:56:10 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Cezar Halmagean's message of "Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:22:27 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 9 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:55391 Archived-At: Cezar Halmagean writes: > On 2008-07-10 01:58:28 -0700, Xah said: > >> I wrote: >> >> =ABI think to have emacs work with today's web dev needs out of the box >> is one of the most important need for emacs. >> (see http://xahlee.org/emacs/modernization_of_elisp.html ) >> =BB >> >> oops, the url should've been: >> >> http://xahlee.org/emacs/modernization.html >> >> Xah > > I totally agree. I have not yet read your article (I will do it right > now). My worry is that elisp is not good enough or maybe to hard for > that kind of work, I hope I am wrong. Too hard?=20=20 > Also I don't mind if support for web dev is not ready out of the box, > I can deal with configuring it but I want it to be stable, featurefull > and not look like it's from 1980. My Emacs looks like it's from 1987, because I want it to, but I can also make it look like whatever I want. Stable? Featureful? Are we using the same piece of software? Emacs is commonly held up as an example of too many features. If what it looks like is really important to you, then you ARE using the wrong software; or go get Aquamacs... Joel --=20 Joel J. Adamson (303) 880-3109 Public key: http://pgp.mit.edu http://www.unc.edu/~adamsonj http://trashbird1240.blogspot.com