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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
Cc: schwab@suse.de, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Word syntax question
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:11:20 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bpxdtjc7.fsf@xemacs.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8763nl1m41.fsf@catnip.gol.com>

Miles Bader writes:
 > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
 > >> > See char-script-table, forward-word also stops at a script boundary.
 > >> 
 > >> That seems kind of broken in this case -- it's quite common for
 > >> "phonetic" characters to be intermixed in a word with latin characters,
 > >> and certainly nobody thinks of those boundaries as being word
 > >> boundaries.
 > >
 > > I agree.  I think we should introduce a user option to control whether
 > > it stops on script boundaries or not, because sometimes it makes
 > > sense, sometimes it doesn't.
 > 
 > But a global setting seems far too course, and in general, whether it's
 > "right" or not seems like it depends more on the precise mixture of
 > scripts rather than a user's personal preferences.

AFAIK Unicode has solved this problem, but I forget where I saw it.
If my memory is correct, that supports Miles's opinion.

In general, I think that if the scripts are for different human
languages, it's almost always the case that a script boundary is a
word boundary.  (But I'm biased, because I deal with that daily in
ordinary Japanese text, where that is the case.)  If one script is not
language-specific (IPA is really the only one I can think of), it's
not.  Note that for something like Japanese which has three separate
scripts (hiragana, katakana, and kanji) which are separately
standardized (JIS X 0201 for katakana, and JIS X 0213 for the others)
this care for different scripts, same language already needs to be made.

So it seems to me that an exceptional case for IPA (make it a member
of all language groups, or perhaps of those that use the Latin
alphabet?) should be sufficient.





  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-22  3:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-21 15:20 Word syntax question Miles Bader
2008-10-21 15:52 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-10-21 16:35   ` Miles Bader
2008-10-21 17:21     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-10-22  0:58       ` Miles Bader
2008-10-22  3:11         ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2008-10-22 11:52           ` Kenichi Handa
2008-10-22 12:23           ` Kenichi Handa
2008-10-22  4:29         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-10-22  5:16           ` Miles Bader
2008-10-22 19:36             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-10-22 21:02           ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-10-22  6:20       ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-10-22 19:21         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-10-23  3:09           ` Richard M. Stallman

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