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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Bidi support
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 14:39:59 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bpm84dao.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvd46pjae3.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

Stefan Monnier writes:

 > Agreed.  The more I think about it, the more I think we need to open
 > a new branch for "what will become emacs-24".

That's what I thought, too, about XEmacs 21.5.  I was wrong.  We ended
up having to uproot the trunk and move it to a branch, and graft the
21.5 branch back as the trunk.  Long-term development belongs either
on the trunk, or in feature branches.  Not on a long-term development
branch which collects several features.

Once you move to bzr, this will become less costly, but remember that
in bzr (like CVS, but not so disastrously as CVS) some branches are
more equal than others in the way they are presented to the user.
It's not like git where you just do

git branch emacs-23 master
git branch -f master emacs-24
git branch -D emacs-24            # optional

and everything's alright.

 > I think it will stay unstable for too long, so it's not good enough for
 > the current trunk (which I'd like to keep for shorter-term changes).

I know how you feel, but doing things this way is either going to be a
lot of work (synching "short-term changes" from the trunk to the
long-term branch -- in my experience, people work on features like
unicode and bidi in spurts, and they're pervasive changes so conflicts
are frequent if you come back every month or so), or discourage work
on the long-term branch (conflict resolution is enthusiasm-draining).

It also fails to encourage work on the instabilities by third parties.

I may be all wet; ask Ken'ichi and Miles how they feel about the long
stalls on the unicode and lexbind branches.  And maybe bzr will be
flexible enough to handle it, but you won't know that until Christmas,
I would guess.  I'm still finding new things I dislike about Mercurial
20 months after our conversion....




  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-08-22  5:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-18 18:35 using libmagic in Emacs? joakim
2009-08-18 19:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-18 20:01   ` Chong Yidong
2009-08-18 20:35     ` joakim
2009-08-18 21:11       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-19  2:58         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-19  3:21           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-19 13:47             ` Chong Yidong
2009-08-19 15:57               ` joakim
2009-08-19 19:46               ` next bugfix release? [was: Re: using libmagic in Emacs?] Dan Nicolaescu
2009-08-19 21:06                 ` next bugfix release? Chong Yidong
2009-08-19 21:53                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-08-19 22:56                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-08-19 23:16                     ` Nick Roberts
2009-08-20  9:02                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-20 11:19                         ` Eric M. Ludlam
2009-08-20 15:13                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-08-20 15:47                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-19 19:05             ` installing features on trunk (was: using libmagic in Emacs?) Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-21 18:59               ` Bidi support Stefan Monnier
2009-08-21 20:44                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-22  3:39                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-22  8:18                   ` Jason Rumney
2009-08-22  5:39                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2009-08-22  7:31                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-24  1:45                   ` Kenichi Handa
2009-08-24  3:12                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-24  7:17                       ` Kenichi Handa
2009-08-24  3:25                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-19  0:57   ` using libmagic in Emacs? Juri Linkov
2009-08-20  3:42     ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-22 23:36       ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-24  0:07         ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-24  0:17           ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-24  7:33             ` joakim
2009-08-25  2:08             ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-25  2:19               ` Miles Bader
2009-08-25  5:09                 ` joakim
2009-08-25 13:27                 ` James Cloos
2009-08-25 21:41                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2009-08-25 17:36               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-25 20:37               ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-29 23:19               ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-30  3:09                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-30 20:54                   ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-31  2:49                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-31 16:17                       ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-31 17:58                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-09-01 12:16                           ` Richard Stallman
2009-09-01 16:12                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-01 21:20                               ` Richard Stallman
2009-09-03 19:42                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-04  7:52                                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-31 22:21                       ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-31  3:33                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-31 15:03                     ` Chong Yidong
2009-08-31 16:19                       ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-31 23:47                       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-01  3:16                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-09-01  5:37                           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-01 12:16                       ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-25 20:36           ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-19 22:49   ` joakim
2009-08-19 23:20     ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-08-20  1:03     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-20  3:12       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-20  4:50         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-20 18:20           ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-21  0:19             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-20 18:32         ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-21 19:10           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-22  5:03             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-23  1:03               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-20 13:57     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-20 19:19       ` joakim
2009-08-20 22:08         ` Andreas Schwab
2009-08-21  9:55           ` joakim
2009-08-21 11:01             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-21 17:38               ` joakim
2009-08-21 17:46                 ` Rupert Swarbrick
2009-08-21 18:31                 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-08-21 19:13                   ` Drew Adams
2009-08-21 18:42                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-21 21:48                   ` joakim
2009-08-21 22:46                     ` Andreas Schwab
2009-08-22 20:18                       ` joakim
2009-08-22 23:13                         ` Ken Raeburn
2009-08-23 23:38                           ` joakim
2009-08-24  3:05                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-24 12:30                               ` joakim
2009-08-23  3:24                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-21 19:18               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-21 13:19             ` Andreas Schwab
2009-08-20 18:32     ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-20 20:27       ` Reiner Steib
2009-08-21 14:08         ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-21 19:16       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-28  0:27 ` Language identification (was: using libmagic in Emacs) Juri Linkov
2009-08-28  4:58   ` Language identification Stefan Monnier
2009-08-28  9:00     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-28 14:56       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-29  4:11         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-29 14:21           ` Chong Yidong
2009-08-29  0:46       ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-29  4:13         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-29 15:28           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-29 16:27             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-28 19:16     ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-29  1:12       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-30 16:01         ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-29 20:20       ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-29 22:48         ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-31  3:32           ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-31  8:42             ` David Kastrup
2009-08-31  8:59             ` Jan D.
2009-08-31  3:33           ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-28  6:45   ` Alex Ott
2009-08-28  6:46   ` Alex Ott
2009-08-28 19:08     ` Juri Linkov

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