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From: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: bzr repository ready?
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:18:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bpindgxs.fsf@telefonica.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 83ocmnnc5d.fsf@gnu.org

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

[snip]

>> Maybe the right approach was to describe a "blessed"
>> workflow on the wiki and behave as if the other approaches didn't
>> exist.
>
> I personally would regret that.  I think I'm grown-up enough to not
> have me spoon-fed.  Give me the information and let me decide myself
> what's best for me, even if I make some mistakes on the way.

One thing is to teach how to keep hacking on emacs when CVS is replaced
with Bazaar. This is essential for the transition to be a success. Other
different thing is to teach the users about the possibilities of Bazaar
in particular and dVCS in general. This can be lengthy and difficult, as
most conceptual shifts are.

IMO there is another problem here: that people is too focused on methods
without mastering the concepts. It's my impression that there are quite
a few folks here that have a wrong understanding about what `branch',
`repository' and `revision' means on the context of a dVCS.

>> BTW, I pretend to explain the "bound branch" approach, always
>> emphasizing that is a middle point between CVS and Bazaar and that the
>> user should eventually transition to a fully dVCS practice
>
> What is ``full dVCS practice''?  Can you describe it (or was it
> already described in this thread)?

dVCS, in essence, consists on the idea that you can pull changes from
any developer that published his branch, and any other user can get
changes from your published branches. Here, "upstream" is just an
agreement among developers. That's the only thing that makes the
branches on the GNU server special. This has profound implications on
all aspects of development.

Time to write the guide.

-- 
Óscar





  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-27 17:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 346+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-04 12:42 Moving to bzr? dhruva
2009-01-04 13:35 ` Christian Faulhammer
2009-01-04 13:50 ` David Reitter
2009-01-04 15:41 ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-04 17:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-05  3:50   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-01-05  4:20     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-05  5:49       ` dhruva
2009-01-05  6:35       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-01-05 22:09         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-05 23:37           ` Chetan Pandya
2009-01-06 12:30             ` Richard M Stallman
2009-01-06 13:14               ` Paul R
2009-01-06 14:32               ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-01-06 14:51                 ` Will Farrington
2009-01-06  4:29           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-01-06 20:35             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-06 20:38               ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-01-06 22:03                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-06 22:14                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-01-06 22:58                     ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-07  0:53                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-01-07  3:43                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-07  3:50                         ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-07  8:31                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-01-07 11:47                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-07 12:00                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-01-07 12:23                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-01-06 23:00                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-07  0:56                       ` Juanma Barranquero
     [not found]                   ` <87zli4jcc4.fsf@workhorse.earlhome>
2009-01-07  3:41                     ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]                       ` <87vdsrjcco.fsf@workhorse.earlhome>
2009-01-09  1:50                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-18 22:56                           ` bzr repository ready? (was: Moving to bzr?) Karl Fogel
     [not found]                             ` <87eiyy3lag.fsf@notengoamigos.org>
2009-01-21  5:11                               ` bzr repository ready? Karl Fogel
2009-01-21  9:32                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-01-22  5:59                                   ` Karl Fogel
     [not found]                                 ` <874ozs34c6.fsf@notengoamigos.org>
2009-01-22  6:15                                   ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-22  8:24                                     ` dhruva
2009-01-22 14:34                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-23 17:00                                       ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-24  4:21                                         ` dhruva
2009-01-24 12:07                                           ` [Savannah-help-public] " Sylvain Beucler
2009-10-14  0:49                                         ` Daniel Clemente
2009-10-14  3:00                                           ` Karl Fogel
2009-10-24 19:38                                             ` Chong Yidong
2009-10-24 23:57                                               ` Karl Fogel
2009-10-30 23:38                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-09 16:53                                                   ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-09 23:56                                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-11 22:45                                                       ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-11 23:06                                                         ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-12  2:34                                                           ` Jason Earl
2009-11-12  4:16                                                             ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-12  4:35                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-12  4:40                                                                 ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-12 15:21                                                                 ` Chong Yidong
2009-11-12 15:39                                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-12 17:37                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-12 18:01                                                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-12 20:11                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-12 23:37                                                                         ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-13  0:14                                                                           ` Jason Earl
2009-11-13  9:38                                                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-13 10:35                                                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-13 13:36                                                                                 ` Jason Earl
2009-11-13  0:13                                                                         ` Jason Earl
2009-11-13  1:12                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-13 14:33                                                                           ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-13 14:47                                                                             ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-13 15:08                                                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-13 17:47                                                                               ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-14 10:45                                                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-14 14:54                                                                               ` Jason Earl
2009-11-14 20:11                                                                               ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-12 18:19                                                                       ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-12 12:01                                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-12 15:03                                                               ` Jason Earl
2009-11-12 18:14                                                                 ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-12 13:55                                                         ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-12 18:31                                                           ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-12 20:18                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-12 20:57                                                               ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-12 22:04                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-12 22:51                                                                   ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-13  9:42                                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-13 11:11                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-18 22:29                                                                   ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-18 23:08                                                                     ` Chong Yidong
2009-11-19  3:56                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-18 23:09                                                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-11-19  5:31                                                                       ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-20 13:34                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-20 19:22                                                                           ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-20 19:34                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-20 20:39                                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-20 21:20                                                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-20 22:46                                                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21  5:05                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-21  5:34                                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21  6:59                                                                                         ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-21 20:08                                                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-22 23:58                                                                                             ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-23  5:58                                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-23  6:41                                                                                                 ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-23 15:47                                                                                                   ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-23 16:58                                                                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-23 19:24                                                                                                       ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-29 20:52                                                                                                         ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-30  6:18                                                                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-30  6:23                                                                                                             ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-21 12:37                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-21 14:17                                                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-21 17:17                                                                                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21 18:18                                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-21 17:08                                                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21 12:32                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-21 12:12                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-20 22:49                                                                                 ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-21  0:53                                                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21 12:31                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-21 16:45                                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21 19:29                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-21 20:17                                                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21 21:28                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-21 22:51                                                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-22  4:19                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-22  0:54                                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-22  4:25                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-22  6:11                                                                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-22  6:53                                                                                                     ` Miles Bader
2009-11-22 14:45                                                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-23  2:28                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-23  3:09                                                                                                       ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-23 20:38                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-23 22:19                                                                                                           ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-25 21:02                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-25 22:19                                                                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-26  6:23                                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-26  8:34                                                                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-27  6:36                                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-27 16:30                                                                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-27 16:52                                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-27 17:18                                                                                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes [this message]
2009-11-28  3:09                                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-27 19:06                                                                                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-27 19:22                                                                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-28  6:45                                                                                                                               ` tomas
2009-11-28  9:57                                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-28 16:49                                                                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
     [not found]                                                                                                                 ` <E1NDXkp-0007Qr-VK@fencepost.gnu.org>
2009-11-26  7:09                                                                                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-25 22:26                                                                                                               ` David De La Harpe Golden
2009-11-25 23:14                                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-25 23:58                                                                                                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-26  1:31                                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-26  1:07                                                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-27  6:35                                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-27  8:17                                                                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-27  6:36                                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-27  9:14                                                                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-27  9:21                                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-27 13:44                                                                                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-28  3:10                                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-28  6:50                                                                                                                       ` tomas
2009-11-28  7:06                                                                                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-29  1:16                                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-29  4:06                                                                                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-29  4:18                                                                                                                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-29  5:39                                                                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-29  4:18                                                                                                                             ` 
2009-11-30 15:52                                                                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-30 16:31                                                                                                                                 ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-30  2:10                                                                                                                           ` Karl Fogel
2009-12-01  4:10                                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2009-12-01  6:39                                                                                                                               ` Karl Fogel
2009-12-05  6:50                                                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2009-12-05 17:44                                                                                                                                   ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-23  3:09                                                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-23 20:38                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-23 22:22                                                                                                           ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-24 22:47                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-25  1:46                                                                                                               ` Jason Earl
2009-11-23 22:36                                                                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-23  3:17                                                                                                       ` Glenn Morris
2009-11-22  5:13                                                                                                 ` Jason Earl
2009-11-22  7:19                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-22 20:32                                                                                                     ` Jason Earl
2009-11-22 21:37                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-22 23:15                                                                                                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-22  9:45                                                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-22 13:08                                                                                                     ` tomas
2009-11-22 23:43                                                                                                     ` Jason Earl
2009-11-23  4:39                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-23  0:05                                                                                                     ` Jason Earl
2009-11-23  6:44                                                                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-23 19:30                                                                                                         ` Jason Earl
2009-11-23 23:41                                                                                                           ` David De La Harpe Golden
2009-11-24  0:01                                                                                                             ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-24  1:19                                                                                                               ` David De La Harpe Golden
2009-11-24  2:04                                                                                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-24 23:41                                                                                                                   ` David De La Harpe Golden
2009-11-25  5:28                                                                                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-21  4:41                                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-21  4:39                                                                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-21 12:14                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-22 23:23                                                                                     ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-21 12:06                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-21 14:40                                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-21 16:27                                                                                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21 18:13                                                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-21 18:26                                                                                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21 22:52                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-22  1:00                                                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-22 21:06                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-20 21:56                                                                             ` Chong Yidong
2009-11-20 22:47                                                                               ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-20 22:51                                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21 22:52                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-21  5:12                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-21  4:38                                                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-21 10:43                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-21 16:10                                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21 19:32                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-21 19:58                                                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-22 20:55                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-22 21:29                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-23  2:33                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-22 22:59                                                                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-23  2:45                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-23  3:20                                                                                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-23  4:34                                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-23 19:38                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-21 19:01                                                                             ` Glenn Morris
2009-11-22 23:41                                                                               ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-23  0:00                                                                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-23  4:36                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-23  5:11                                                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-23  5:50                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-23  7:35                                                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-23 14:39                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-23 15:17                                                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-23 16:45                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-23 18:06                                                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-23 19:36                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-23 22:59                                                                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-24  1:14                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-24 22:47                                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-25  8:55                                                                                                     ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-25 10:32                                                                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-25 17:48                                                                                                       ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-25 18:22                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-25 19:26                                                                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-25 20:01                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-25 18:53                                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-24  4:20                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-24  1:33                                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-24  7:28                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-24  9:35                                                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-24 11:04                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-24 11:54                                                                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-24 14:58                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-25  5:39                                                                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-25 21:01                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-24  2:56                                                                                           ` Making the tarball with bzr data (was: bzr repository ready?) Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-30 16:34                                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-30 18:46                                                                                               ` Making the tarball with bzr data Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-30 18:52                                                                                               ` Jason Earl
2009-11-23 12:11                                                                                       ` bzr repository ready? Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-23 14:28                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-23 18:52                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-23 12:07                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-19  0:49                                                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-19  5:02                                                                       ` Ken Raeburn
2009-11-19  6:38                                                                       ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-20 13:23                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-20 19:33                                                                       ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-23 17:56                                     ` Karl Fogel
     [not found]                                       ` <874ozp4ld3.fsf@notengoamigos.org>
2009-01-28 21:24                                         ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-29  9:30                                           ` Daniel Clemente
2009-01-29 18:19                                             ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-29 18:50                                               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-01-29 20:18                                                 ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-30  9:06                                                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-01-30 15:50                                                     ` Karl Fogel
     [not found]                                           ` <87y6wvhxrk.fsf@notengoamigos.org>
     [not found]                                             ` <8763jwg1j8.fsf@red-bean.com>
2009-01-30 19:38                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2009-01-30 20:01                                                 ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-30 20:24                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2009-01-31  1:03                                                     ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-31  5:02                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-01-31  8:59                                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2009-02-04 17:28                                                         ` Karl Fogel
2009-02-04 20:48                                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2009-02-04 22:49                                                             ` Karl Fogel
2009-02-06 20:19                                                               ` Karl Fogel
     [not found]                                                                 ` <87k583nnxc.fsf@notengoamigos.org>
2009-02-07  3:42                                                                   ` Karl Fogel
2009-04-23 14:53                                         ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]                                           ` <871vrj8ew5.fsf@notengoamigos.org>
2009-04-24  0:31                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-04-28 16:11                                           ` Karl Fogel
2009-04-28 16:33                                             ` Samuel Bronson
2009-04-28 17:29                                               ` Karl Fogel
2009-04-28 17:47                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-28 18:11                                               ` Karl Fogel
2009-04-29  7:08                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-28 18:30                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-04-28 19:31                                               ` Karl Fogel
2009-04-29  1:07                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-04-29  7:12                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-29 14:30                                                   ` Karl Fogel
     [not found]                                               ` <87fxfsr1md.fsf@notengoamigos.org>
2009-04-28 21:56                                                 ` Karl Fogel
2009-04-29  7:08                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-28 23:47                                             ` Jason Rumney
2009-04-29  1:27                                               ` Samuel Bronson
2009-04-30 19:39                                             ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-21 23:33                       ` Moving to bzr? John Yates
2009-01-22  1:57                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-01-22 15:40                           ` Richard M Stallman
2009-01-13 18:58       ` Giorgos Keramidas
2009-01-05  9:48     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-01-05 11:07       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-01-05 14:52         ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-05 11:39       ` dhruva
2009-01-05 12:14         ` Nick Roberts
2009-01-05 12:26           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-01-05 12:34           ` dhruva
     [not found]         ` <87wsd9tqt6.fsf@notengoamigos.org>
2009-01-06  3:29           ` dhruva
2009-01-06  6:07             ` dhruva
2009-01-06  6:21               ` 马旋(SuperMMX)
2009-01-06 11:42             ` Daniel Clemente
2009-01-04 18:09 ` Tassilo Horn
2009-01-09  9:31   ` Miles Bader
2009-01-09 10:35     ` dhruva
2009-01-09 20:20       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-09 20:26         ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-01-10  9:14           ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-10  2:27         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-10  3:06           ` Jason Rumney
2009-01-10  9:23             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-10 20:45               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-10  9:23           ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-04 21:41 ` Richard M Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-11-22 23:30 bzr repository ready? Karl Fogel
2009-11-22 23:36 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-23  6:06   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-23  7:42     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-23 17:19     ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-23 18:53       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-23 19:35         ` Karl Fogel

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