From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bastien Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-d deleting region considered harmful Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 09:56:22 +0200 Message-ID: <87bp7setll.fsf@altern.org> References: <87eicrx1ls.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <83lj6zz9o0.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1284979274 18857 80.91.229.12 (20 Sep 2010 10:41:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 10:41:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , eliz@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, miles@gnu.org To: Lennart Borgman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 20 12:41:10 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oxdo0-0007DV-9K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:41:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43808 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Oxdnz-0001jf-PK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 06:41:03 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=34846 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OxbEh-0006GW-D6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 03:56:28 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OxbEg-0003n3-CN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 03:56:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wy0-f169.google.com ([74.125.82.169]:61865) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OxbEe-0003mI-A2; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 03:56:24 -0400 Original-Received: by wyb36 with SMTP id 36so5281715wyb.0 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 00:56:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:received:from:to:cc :subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type; bh=8mZJL9j3XsQYcIY+dKfOZZ8Xj2w4Kv6RROtW9JfxYeg=; b=TlixxmxiK0oGGD/bnvc/lMTyfPigamR+TPT77jamt3R9QkkDx2/28wv1WUty8xWte3 vwyLlHF0rE443aqF9zenQUjUsNcrX0D1Rg2m1JCKNGGwqsv2JMLPR/UiRVDCGLrVkpx7 iNcbk2KWEvMxxCyHgSj5Tx4/Lm4frFzWOf5pw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type; b=Wi9C81TASSdWhBnvs9W6x2gSEModL+dl1LMlrBviFzECtkCOFuAq3Rn/W+YPl/Ch99 nyB1RgBsrHc/OzHVWwzyJ3kECJqzAnMMsAqNMqnB9CLpxFcZ6iqGTr09WCkFs1ksWanW mak68bQoLIMai5z45XrzuN52WnyIJSR/FJ0ZE= Original-Received: by 10.227.94.138 with SMTP id z10mr1513440wbm.166.1284969382631; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 00:56:22 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from myhost.localdomain (fon75-1-78-192-119-5.fbxo.proxad.net [78.192.119.5]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bc3sm1544968wbb.14.2010.09.20.00.56.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 20 Sep 2010 00:56:21 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by myhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2EBA53FA5E; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 09:56:23 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Mon, 20 Sep 2010 02:22:21 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 06:40:55 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:130524 Archived-At: RMS suggested to poll the users for such issues. This was also suggested many times when the list was discussing t-m-m to be turned on by default. There wasn't any poll. A poll is never an easy thing to do: you need to make a clear proposal, you need to have a thoughtful discussion with clear arguments, you need to be confident that enough users we participate to the poll, and you need to take some time and energy to actually run the poll. But besides that, is there any reason why no poll has been made so far? This is not a rhetoric question: maybe Emacs history has shown polls are not effective, leading to more debate and less consensus; or maybe users don't like polls. But I'd be interested to understand what prevents a poll to happen. Thanks! -- Bastien