From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: c/c++ project management and debugging Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 22:51:15 +0100 Organization: Informatimago Message-ID: <87bp4ex0a4.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> References: <4D0F4058.6050101@gmail.com> <038dfa58-3e80-4c49-bbd0-c1bbb16c41f1@j25g2000vbs.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1292971260 27159 80.91.229.12 (21 Dec 2010 22:41:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 22:41:00 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 21 23:40:56 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PVAt6-0004nz-DR for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 23:40:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45505 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PVAt5-0004cU-Nk for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 17:40:55 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 35 Original-X-Trace: individual.net sUNDkykFCyLmQoUM2HEehAlVa7FvbWWy/X3o6zwnDD7pj8s+6E Cancel-Lock: sha1:OTE3ODBlNWFkMGE0ZDZjODBjZmY4MDdjNThhZTEyMTJlN2NiODJiOA== sha1:WdRozsCCKLowubu0eSjTmdDMVf0= Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAQMAAABtzGvEAAAABlBMVEUAAAD///+l2Z/dAAAA oElEQVR4nK3OsRHCMAwF0O8YQufUNIQRGIAja9CxSA55AxZgFO4coMgYrEDDQZWPIlNAjwq9 033pbOBPtbXuB6PKNBn5gZkhGa86Z4x2wE67O+06WxGD/HCOGR0deY3f9Ijwwt7rNGNf6Oac l/GuZTF1wFGKiYYHKSFAkjIo1b6sCYS1sVmFhhhahKQssRjRT90ITWUk6vvK3RsPGs+M1RuR mV+hO/VvFAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Accept-Language: fr, es, en X-Disabled: X-No-Archive: no User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:183516 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:77758 Archived-At: Richard Riley writes: > Then the IDEs you have used have not been configured IDEs. Its almost > never quicker anymore at the command line in a properly configured > IDE. A lot of people claim it is : invariably those who have not used a > modern IDE. Those things you do at the command line can be hot keyed in > an IDE too. As for "not needing" - do you know what an IDE is? I > actually use emacs as one - weaknesses not withstanding - so I kind of > disagree with Elena about that. Development is a lot more than "coding > in a text editor". Lets see what the IDE brings (and most of what Emacs > can do already and marked appropriately in brackets below):- > > Dependency management (poor since I cant get cedet working and dont want > to learn another "project" framework such as EDE) > Context help for all parts of project development. (poor/non existent). > Standardised UI (excellent) > Error code navigation and cross referencing (not bad in Emacs when > compiling in emacs) > Bug tracking (Hmm I use org-mode) > Task prioritisation (org-mode) > Code navigation (awful. Tags are not up to the task for the most part). > Code refactoring (none afaik) > Version management (excellent with Magit). > > Emacs is almost there I think. And with what it brings elsewhere I dont > feel I need an IDE - except for Java. Emacs java support is awful from > what I can see. You forgot that the I in IDE doesn't only mean "Integrated" but also "Integrating". Almost all the IDE fail lamentably on this point, while you can easily Integrate any tool in emacs. -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/ A bad day in () is better than a good day in {}.