From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: david@adboyd.com (J. David Boyd) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs keyboard Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 10:00:31 -0500 Message-ID: <87bod29x0w.fsf@adboyd.com> References: <86ehhz7yvj.fsf@w2139spb.ru.yotateam.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1357484465 26314 80.91.229.3 (6 Jan 2013 15:01:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 15:01:05 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 06 16:01:22 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Trrit-0002fs-KS for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 16:01:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56106 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Trrie-00087S-4E for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 10:01:00 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50003) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TrriX-00087L-G1 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 10:00:55 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TrriS-00026k-8H for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 10:00:53 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:59837) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TrriS-00026Q-2F for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 10:00:48 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Trrie-0002Kj-8n for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 16:01:00 +0100 Original-Received: from 72.185.97.240 ([72.185.97.240]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 16:01:00 +0100 Original-Received: from david by 72.185.97.240 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 16:01:00 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 40 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.185.97.240 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:gH57gLfbHzfF7tHjCW7TFdmSmHk= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:88479 Archived-At: Filipp Gunbin writes: > On 05/01/2013 04:33, David Combs wrote: > >> I find that standard keyboards, with the control-key down at the >> bottom, a real pain to use with emacs, vi, and any other program >> that uses control-chars as commands. >> >> Sun (er, oracle) makes that type of keyboard, but >> also makes one with the control key immediately left >> of the "A" key, where it was on the original >> teletype-like machine (name escapes me now, but it >> ended in "33"). >> >> That placement sure makes it easier to use programs >> like emacs and vi. >> >> David > > But, with control in the home row you lose symmetry. I find it most > convenient to press all modifiers with one hand and the actual key with > another. That would not be possible with one control in all cases. And > with chords consisting only of Control, Alt and Shift, it's much less > pain to have Control at the bottom... Control in the home row is best > for simple keys like `C-f', but what to do with `C-M-t', for example? Interesting, I've never thought much about that. I've always been a left-hand Ctl or Meta person, but I like your idea, if I can train my fingers. Right now, for C-M-t, I press C and M with my left pinky and thumb, and reach across for the t with my right hand. Otherwise, I do a three key chord with my left hand. Using the right hand for C and M would make things easier. Thanks for the (to most people, obvious, but not me) idea! Dave