From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jameson Graef Rollins Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#7842: acknowledged by developer (control message for bug 7842) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 10:44:06 -0800 Message-ID: <87bobcgpe1.fsf@servo.finestructure.net> References: <8739owi45n.fsf@servo.finestructure.net> <87zjzfpx5j.fsf@servo.finestructure.net> <87txpnpwqb.fsf@servo.finestructure.net> <83fw178ah5.fsf@gnu.org> <87sj50m4hu.fsf@servo.finestructure.net> <83bobn51dz.fsf@gnu.org> <87d2vtce1h.fsf@servo.finestructure.net> <83mwuwn3b3.fsf@gnu.org> <83a9qwmm8y.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1361558689 28443 80.91.229.3 (22 Feb 2013 18:44:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:44:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 7842@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 22 19:45:11 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1U8xcN-0006w8-6q for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Fri, 22 Feb 2013 10:44:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Notmuch/0.15+8~gd4a7374 (http://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/24.2.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:71661 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain On Fri, Feb 22 2013, Stefan Monnier wrote: > He mentions 4 problems with the current situation: > >> * The first touches the disk, the second does not. > > Providing a wrapper that does make-temp-file doesn't solve this point, > indeed. > >> * The first requires me to pick a temporary file name that does not >> collide with an existing file on disk, the second does not. >> * The first requires me to cleanup a temporary file, the second does >> not. >> * The first is 45 characters long, the second is 13. > > But the wrapper would solve all those 3 remaining points (because the > wrapper would pay this cost, not Jameson). Thanks again, Stefan. This is a good analysis of the situation. Solving these latter three issues is really the crux of things from my perspective. The main problem is all the book keeping and extra coding that is currently required to get stderr into a separate buffer. It would obviously better if we didn't have to resort to temporary files, but if that's the only way to get these last three issues covered then I'm completely fine with it. jamie. --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJRJ7x3AAoJEO00zqvie6q8hA4QALazRNc1VMf0eD1iXw+vu0Mn 3h12SBaJG/tPEZnyognUKX9MyS2aMwgJymo5MdG5JCiH1f4BtCDC0TH+rbSK3vEm vTt09kSJf8JALXCa8h8Zg2Rzo1eSdsz6Rt3G6VI2HD00n5z+Y7GuI6Mgrvq27K+Z pzogaPawmww7zz042S8/YEliQulaOf6ZrdjjMkul6Illc7BGQUl6qOwh/NbEcl1p +46IXsmoRfTdLacaT1aCIPPNdgFnYd+bRXca0B3/rZgBEgGFWbG1xFU9gKQvkjv2 fk5fmaSBsdtB0yH65iChCxmR/Ph0tfSsUs+fpkObUbI2IjGEPVyQiIRqP27I6vPp arK7ZH+hIE6bD0mgfW+x3ZNBFT3PFXALdhsjoW0UYtf8hFZEwP+b53o04GhoPexA IIz+G1PuUposZXYSjbINODDQOFOLl0A2GaugM52pIicT8s9GCL4a4iwWsSo8Ou1R MdvsqA6L3RMxyVn180qI9whTQQzQKPA/DHHiGKPPb7pPx2JxABQ1bav3Y50KBFOH hVvwVNAYPjYbnfNh0RU4Xx0WSMIkwPQVn1Uh2tQg52tRB0VAL8PDwjJkIoDRtMNx ghQxZ2L3wcb3dnl5Z/6vw0A7COgp1ofK3RaAa1+4SN1lnuOkHB7xVP7bLKCAtmjb FvZ/xxBl4763eeFYu2UQ =m772 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--