From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Does anyone really use emacs in terminal? Date: Sun, 05 May 2013 07:34:39 +0200 Organization: Informatimago Message-ID: <87bo8qvvkg.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1367732056 10757 80.91.229.3 (5 May 2013 05:34:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 05:34:16 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 05 07:34:16 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UYraR-0007ro-AO for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 May 2013 07:34:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46669 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UYraQ-0002A9-VI for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 May 2013 01:34:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46352) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UYraE-0002A2-Kj for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 May 2013 01:34:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UYraC-0006pZ-TR for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 May 2013 01:34:02 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:44716) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UYraC-0006ne-N3 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 May 2013 01:34:00 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UYraA-0007kv-EY for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 May 2013 07:33:58 +0200 Original-Received: from amontsouris-651-1-14-160.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr ([90.46.105.160]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 05 May 2013 07:33:58 +0200 Original-Received: from pjb by amontsouris-651-1-14-160.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 05 May 2013 07:33:58 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 39 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: amontsouris-651-1-14-160.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAQMAAABtzGvEAAAABlBMVEUAAAD///+l2Z/dAAAA oElEQVR4nK3OsRHCMAwF0O8YQufUNIQRGIAja9CxSA55AxZgFO4coMgYrEDDQZWPIlNAjwq9 033pbOBPtbXuB6PKNBn5gZkhGa86Z4x2wE67O+06WxGD/HCOGR0deY3f9Ijwwt7rNGNf6Oac l/GuZTF1wFGKiYYHKSFAkjIo1b6sCYS1sVmFhhhahKQssRjRT90ITWUk6vvK3RsPGs+M1RuR mV+hO/VvFAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Accept-Language: fr, es, en User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ZWFmY2FlZDAwNTVkNmZmNjBmN2RiYmI3ZWQ3MmUyZjZlMjQ0ODQwZA== X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:90504 Archived-At: Le Wang writes: > The cool kids do it. > > You can find many screencasts of people doing everything in terminal > and proselytising the simplicity and lack of distractions of such a > work flow.  They don't mention the lack of features, and the > pitfalls. > > As a result a lot of the newbie questions on stackoverflow and here > are "Why dozn't M-return work with me Emacs?" and "How comez when I > can't cut'n'paste from Emacs?". > > This is frustratingly detrimental to Emacs adoption because the new > user's initial experience with Emacs is "fixing" it. This has nothing to do with emacs, but all to do with lack of knowledge of said newbies about how terminals and computers work. Direct them to the corresponding tutorials. Or direct them to emacs in GUI (X11, Cocoa, MS-Windows). Otherwise I wouldn't mind if somebody worked on the terminal protocol, notably on the keyboard part. (ECMA-048 is rich enough, for terminal output). I heard there are some extensions implemented in xterm to forward the status of more modifiers than just control. Some standardization and wide adoption amongst terminal emulators at least (are physical terminals still produced?) should do the trick. -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/ A bad day in () is better than a good day in {}.