From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-x C-e with prefix arg Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 23:55:17 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87bo8ma8yr.fsf@mail.jurta.org> References: <4D5891EF34DF42D3A479CF83CAF1E43E@us.oracle.com> <87zjw97qo7.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87zjw9z0fk.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <88878C7DA62F4DC792EEEE03D46C115B@us.oracle.com> <87ip2w1ory.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87ip2vlw8w.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87bo8ngpjr.fsf@mail.jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1367960232 7008 80.91.229.3 (7 May 2013 20:57:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 20:57:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 07 22:57:09 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UZowc-0004Gz-VQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 May 2013 22:57:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37056 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UZowc-0001HO-Jg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 May 2013 16:57:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40841) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UZowZ-0001H9-Gj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 May 2013 16:57:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UZowY-0000Lt-38 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 May 2013 16:57:03 -0400 Original-Received: from ps18281.dreamhost.com ([69.163.218.105]:58515 helo=ps18281.dreamhostps.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UZowX-0000Lc-TK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 May 2013 16:57:02 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497CF258B9E91C; Tue, 7 May 2013 13:56:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 7 May 2013 07:16:31 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x (no timestamps) [generic] X-Received-From: 69.163.218.105 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:159406 Archived-At: > By your logic, `C-h v' should also print using elision. `C-h v' uses the special treatment of large values too: it moves long lists to the end of the *Help* buffer and puts the text "Its value is shown below" on the top. To see the full value, you have to click the button "[below]". Similarly, you have to click on the abbreviated list printed by `C-x C-e' to see its full value. > IMO, users should have a quick way of getting the full value in the current > buffer, _even if_ they generally prefer the partial value and have reflected > that more general preference in the user options. Currently the quickest way to get the full value is `C-u C-x C-e C-b RET' (`C-b' moves point to the abbreviated list where `RET' is bound to `last-sexp-toggle-display'). Implementing a shorter key sequence to do the same `M-0 C-x C-e' or `M-- C-x C-e' like you proposed is a good improvement. So I see no need to change the default behavior of `C-u C-x C-e' from printing an abbreviated list to printing the full value since both key sequences will have the same length.