From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Emacs very alive, active and improving? Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 19:50:28 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <87bo2qe83m.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> References: <878uy2b59p.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <9c485a2d-1e2a-4c38-b04a-db69db9b5bc2@googlegroups.com> <87r4btl8e5.fsf@zerg32.ncl.ac.uk> <87a9igcbht.fsf@zerg32.ncl.ac.uk> <20131012220155.GA20851@www> <8738o49kqv.fsf@zerg32.ncl.ac.uk> <87li1va56r.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1381859719 30558 80.91.229.3 (15 Oct 2013 17:55:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:55:19 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 15 19:55:25 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VW8q4-0004Yu-Mg for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 19:55:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43262 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VW8q4-0003DQ-6r for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:55:24 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.datemas.de!rt.uk.eu.org!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 41 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: /ZLK7EtDT1dvbkmVtWlLYw.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:l4SwBsAjiaL3AgAlSpaQabiatIs= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:201757 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:94026 Archived-At: Bob Proulx writes: > Being bilingual is not that difficult if you are > actually fluent in the two. I don't even think about > it. My fingers just go. OK, you realize I speak of "bilingual" in the sense of Emacs and Vim, right? If you are (as fluent), then that's really cool. > Why? Because of the time for the learning curve? > That is, it takes a long time to learn something well? Yes. And then you have to "re-learn" when you go back (although that will be much faster). Again, you realize I'm not talking learning as in intelligence etc., I'm talking the, I don't know, mental-physical bound. Like if you put your hand in the fire, you don't think "the heat will disintegrate my hand, so I must save it by removing it", instead the skin - I don't know exactly how it works... the skins sends "fear" and pain to your brain, which sends a command to get away from the source of danger right away? > If you look at a workbench of a wood craftsman you > will find a variety of chisels, a variety of hammers, > saws, planes, and other tools. There isn't a single > tool that does everything best. It is often good to > have a variety of tools available. Yes, but the saw and the hammer are not that difficult to master. I don't think those can be compared to Emacs or Vim. It is more like people fighting at the Colosseum. I would rather have one guy who has perfected swordplay his entire life, and one guy who did the same with the spear, than two guys who were pretty good with lots of weapons. -- Emanuel Berg, programmer-for-rent. CV, projects, etc at uXu underground experts united: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573