Re: changing from \cite{1} to \cite{MacRae,2002}

Re: changing from \cite{1} to \cite{MacRae,2002}

[Emanuel Berg]

Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com> writes:

> I am using latex and working on a document all in
> emacs. I have been using the biblatex citation system
> with the style "numerical", but now want to use
> "authoryear".

First, your post looks a complete mess! I don't know if
it is my Gnus but I doubt it as I haven't seen anything
that plain chaos (since my last birthday party at
least) - just type, man!

Here is how to do it - the trick is to not have any
"operational" data in the biblatex file - just the
sources.

For example, if you have the poor taste of taking an
interest in databases - in db.bib:

@Book{mcfadden,
author = {McFadden and Hoffer and Prescott},
title = {Modern Database Management},
publisher = {Addison-Wesley},
year = 1998,
ISBN = {0-8053-6054-9},
edition = {5th edition}}

Then, in db.tex, you keep everything to it that relates
to *your* activity (the pages in this example):

\cite[pp. 233, 237]{mcfadden}

You can see how it works in context here [1] - perhaps
there are a couple of settings in the .tex file that
prepare it all to work. Don't forget the Makefile so
you can invoke it all in one stroke.

Also, check out comp.text.tex.

Good luck!

[1] http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/latex/degree/

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Re: changing from \cite{1} to \cite{MacRae,2002}

[Sharon Kimble]

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Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes:

> Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com> writes:
>
>> I am using latex and working on a document all in
>> emacs. I have been using the biblatex citation system
>> with the style "numerical", but now want to use
>> "authoryear".
>
> First, your post looks a complete mess! I don't know if
> it is my Gnus but I doubt it as I haven't seen anything
> that plain chaos (since my last birthday party at
> least) - just type, man!

Wrong! I don't know of any "man" called Sharon! :)
>
> Here is how to do it - the trick is to not have any
> "operational" data in the biblatex file - just the
> sources.
>
> For example, if you have the poor taste of taking an
> interest in databases - in db.bib:
>
> @Book{mcfadden,
> author = {McFadden and Hoffer and Prescott},
> title = {Modern Database Management},
> publisher = {Addison-Wesley},
> year = 1998,
> ISBN = {0-8053-6054-9},
> edition = {5th edition}}
>
> Then, in db.tex, you keep everything to it that relates
> to *your* activity (the pages in this example):
>
> \cite[pp. 233, 237]{mcfadden}
>
> You can see how it works in context here [1] - perhaps
> there are a couple of settings in the .tex file that
> prepare it all to work. Don't forget the Makefile so
> you can invoke it all in one stroke.

Yes, but! Your references appear in the text as numbers, i.e. [1]
which is not what I'm after. I'm looking for "author/editor, year". 
>
> Also, check out comp.text.tex.

I'll certainly see if its on gmane, thanks for this.
>
> Good luck!
>
> [1] http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/latex/degree/

Sharon.
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Re: changing from \cite{1} to \cite{MacRae,2002}

[Rasmus]

Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com> writes:

> Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes:
>
>> Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com> writes:
>>
>>> I am using latex and working on a document all in
>>> emacs. I have been using the biblatex citation system
>>> with the style "numerical", but now want to use
>>> "authoryear".
>>
>> First, your post looks a complete mess! I don't know if
>> it is my Gnus but I doubt it as I haven't seen anything
>> that plain chaos (since my last birthday party at
>> least) - just type, man!
>
> Wrong! I don't know of any "man" called Sharon! :)
>>
>> Here is how to do it - the trick is to not have any
>> "operational" data in the biblatex file - just the
>> sources.
>>
>> For example, if you have the poor taste of taking an
>> interest in databases - in db.bib:
>>
>> @Book{mcfadden,
>> author = {McFadden and Hoffer and Prescott},
>> title = {Modern Database Management},
>> publisher = {Addison-Wesley},
>> year = 1998,
>> ISBN = {0-8053-6054-9},
>> edition = {5th edition}}
>>
>> Then, in db.tex, you keep everything to it that relates
>> to *your* activity (the pages in this example):
>>
>> \cite[pp. 233, 237]{mcfadden}
>>
>> You can see how it works in context here [1] - perhaps
>> there are a couple of settings in the .tex file that
>> prepare it all to work. Don't forget the Makefile so
>> you can invoke it all in one stroke.
>
> Yes, but! Your references appear in the text as numbers, i.e. [1]
> which is not what I'm after. I'm looking for "author/editor, year". 

So pass the option "natbib" or "author-year" or whatever you prefer to
biblatex.  See "texdoc biblatex", section "3.3.1 Citation Styles".

Or use biblatex-chicago. I use it like this:

\usepackage[authordate, natbib, backend=biber,citetracker=true,
  uniquename=mininit, ibidtracker=false, maxcitenames=2]{biblatex-chicago}

—Rasmus

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Re: changing from \cite{1} to \cite{MacRae,2002}

[Sharon Kimble]

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Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us> writes:

> Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com> writes:
>
>> Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes:
>>
>>> Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> I am using latex and working on a document all in
>>>> emacs. I have been using the biblatex citation system
>>>> with the style "numerical", but now want to use
>>>> "authoryear".
>>>
>>> First, your post looks a complete mess! I don't know if
>>> it is my Gnus but I doubt it as I haven't seen anything
>>> that plain chaos (since my last birthday party at
>>> least) - just type, man!
>>
>> Wrong! I don't know of any "man" called Sharon! :)
>>>
>>> Here is how to do it - the trick is to not have any
>>> "operational" data in the biblatex file - just the
>>> sources.
>>>
>>> For example, if you have the poor taste of taking an
>>> interest in databases - in db.bib:
>>>
>>> @Book{mcfadden,
>>> author = {McFadden and Hoffer and Prescott},
>>> title = {Modern Database Management},
>>> publisher = {Addison-Wesley},
>>> year = 1998,
>>> ISBN = {0-8053-6054-9},
>>> edition = {5th edition}}
>>>
>>> Then, in db.tex, you keep everything to it that relates
>>> to *your* activity (the pages in this example):
>>>
>>> \cite[pp. 233, 237]{mcfadden}
>>>
>>> You can see how it works in context here [1] - perhaps
>>> there are a couple of settings in the .tex file that
>>> prepare it all to work. Don't forget the Makefile so
>>> you can invoke it all in one stroke.
>>
>> Yes, but! Your references appear in the text as numbers, i.e. [1]
>> which is not what I'm after. I'm looking for "author/editor, year". 
>
> So pass the option "natbib" or "author-year" or whatever you prefer to
> biblatex.  See "texdoc biblatex", section "3.3.1 Citation Styles".
>
> Or use biblatex-chicago. I use it like this:
>
> \usepackage[authordate, natbib, backend=biber,citetracker=true,
>   uniquename=mininit, ibidtracker=false, maxcitenames=2]{biblatex-chicago}

Thanks for this, using your "\usepackage" above, but which do I use
for the bib database? I've tried both but I'm not sure which is
working. 
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
\addbibresource{uh2014.bib}
\bibliography{uh2014}
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

This is part of "uh2014.bib"
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
@Article{MacRae2002,
  author = {MacRae K. Pattison J.},
  title = {Home chemotherapy.},
  journaltitle = {Nursing Times},
  year = {2002},
  key = {MacRae2002},
  volume = {98},
  number = {35},
  pages = {34-35},
}
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

and in the text it is cited as
╭────
│\cite{MacRae2002}
╰────

but it shows in the pdf as "M. K. P. J. 2002."

How can I get it to show as"[MacRae2002]" please?

Thanks
Sharon.
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Re: changing from \cite{1} to \cite{MacRae,2002}

[Rasmus]

Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com> writes:

2> Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us> writes:
>
>> Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com> writes:
>>
>>> Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes:
>>>
>>>> Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> I am using latex and working on a document all in
>>>>> emacs. I have been using the biblatex citation system
>>>>> with the style "numerical", but now want to use
>>>>> "authoryear".
>>>>
>>>> First, your post looks a complete mess! I don't know if
>>>> it is my Gnus but I doubt it as I haven't seen anything
>>>> that plain chaos (since my last birthday party at
>>>> least) - just type, man!
>>>
>>> Wrong! I don't know of any "man" called Sharon! :)
>>>>
>>>> Here is how to do it - the trick is to not have any
>>>> "operational" data in the biblatex file - just the
>>>> sources.
>>>>
>>>> For example, if you have the poor taste of taking an
>>>> interest in databases - in db.bib:
>>>>
>>>> @Book{mcfadden,
>>>> author = {McFadden and Hoffer and Prescott},
>>>> title = {Modern Database Management},
>>>> publisher = {Addison-Wesley},
>>>> year = 1998,
>>>> ISBN = {0-8053-6054-9},
>>>> edition = {5th edition}}
>>>>
>>>> Then, in db.tex, you keep everything to it that relates
>>>> to *your* activity (the pages in this example):
>>>>
>>>> \cite[pp. 233, 237]{mcfadden}
>>>>
>>>> You can see how it works in context here [1] - perhaps
>>>> there are a couple of settings in the .tex file that
>>>> prepare it all to work. Don't forget the Makefile so
>>>> you can invoke it all in one stroke.
>>>
>>> Yes, but! Your references appear in the text as numbers, i.e. [1]
>>> which is not what I'm after. I'm looking for "author/editor, year". 
>>
>> So pass the option "natbib" or "author-year" or whatever you prefer to
>> biblatex.  See "texdoc biblatex", section "3.3.1 Citation Styles".
>>
>> Or use biblatex-chicago. I use it like this:
>>
>> \usepackage[authordate, natbib, backend=biber,citetracker=true,
>>   uniquename=mininit, ibidtracker=false, maxcitenames=2]{biblatex-chicago}
>
> Thanks for this, using your "\usepackage" above, but which do I use
> for the bib database? I've tried both but I'm not sure which is
> working. 
> \addbibresource{uh2014.bib}
> \bibliography{uh2014}

Use \addbibressource{·} where · is the path to your bib-file.

> This is part of "uh2014.bib"
> @Article{MacRae2002,
>   author = {MacRae K. Pattison J.},

this should be

     {K. MacRae and J. Pattison}
     
or
        
    {MacRae, K. and Pattison, J.},

>   title = {Home chemotherapy.},
>   journaltitle = {Nursing Times},

journal = {·} is also OK.

>   year = {2002},
>   key = {MacRae2002},

you probably don't need key. 

>   volume = {98},
>   number = {35},
>   pages = {34-35},

use -- for separating numbers.

> }
>
> and in the text it is cited as
> ╭────
> │\cite{MacRae2002}
> ╰────
>
> but it shows in the pdf as "M. K. P. J. 2002."
>
> How can I get it to show as"[MacRae2002]" please?

\parencite{MacRae2002} → (MacRae, 2002)
\textcite{MacRae2002}  → MacRae (2002).

If you truly want the KEY to show up and not a combination of the
author and the year you'd need some other style.

With the option natbib you can also use natbib commands.  See

     texdoc natnotes

—Rasmus

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Re: changing from \cite{1} to \cite{MacRae,2002}

[Sharon Kimble]

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Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us> writes:

> Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com> writes:
>
> 2> Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us> writes:
>>
>>> Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am using latex and working on a document all in
>>>>>> emacs. I have been using the biblatex citation system
>>>>>> with the style "numerical", but now want to use
>>>>>> "authoryear".
>>>>>
>>>>> First, your post looks a complete mess! I don't know if
>>>>> it is my Gnus but I doubt it as I haven't seen anything
>>>>> that plain chaos (since my last birthday party at
>>>>> least) - just type, man!
>>>>
>>>> Wrong! I don't know of any "man" called Sharon! :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is how to do it - the trick is to not have any
>>>>> "operational" data in the biblatex file - just the
>>>>> sources.
>>>>>
>>>>> For example, if you have the poor taste of taking an
>>>>> interest in databases - in db.bib:
>>>>>
>>>>> @Book{mcfadden,
>>>>> author = {McFadden and Hoffer and Prescott},
>>>>> title = {Modern Database Management},
>>>>> publisher = {Addison-Wesley},
>>>>> year = 1998,
>>>>> ISBN = {0-8053-6054-9},
>>>>> edition = {5th edition}}
>>>>>
>>>>> Then, in db.tex, you keep everything to it that relates
>>>>> to *your* activity (the pages in this example):
>>>>>
>>>>> \cite[pp. 233, 237]{mcfadden}
>>>>>
>>>>> You can see how it works in context here [1] - perhaps
>>>>> there are a couple of settings in the .tex file that
>>>>> prepare it all to work. Don't forget the Makefile so
>>>>> you can invoke it all in one stroke.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, but! Your references appear in the text as numbers, i.e. [1]
>>>> which is not what I'm after. I'm looking for "author/editor, year". 
>>>
>>> So pass the option "natbib" or "author-year" or whatever you prefer to
>>> biblatex.  See "texdoc biblatex", section "3.3.1 Citation Styles".
>>>
>>> Or use biblatex-chicago. I use it like this:
>>>
>>> \usepackage[authordate, natbib, backend=biber,citetracker=true,
>>>   uniquename=mininit, ibidtracker=false,
>>>   maxcitenames=2]{biblatex-chicago}

Thank you very much for your excellent and very informative reply,
and it all works! I have only created one reference ATM, but I'll
spend more time on it today. However, when I've created the
reference and look at it in the PDF, it shows as "(MacRae and
Pattison 2002)" but only 2002 is hyperlinked. How can I get the
whole reference be hyperlinked please?

And in the references section it displays as
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
MacRae, K., and J. Pattison. 2002. “Home chemotherapy.” Nursing Times 98 (35): 34–
35.
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
Is there anyway in which the "(MacRae and Pattison 2002)" could be
shown at the beginning of the reference so its easier to look it up
when the book is printed please?

Thanks
Sharon.
>>
>> Thanks for this, using your "\usepackage" above, but which do I use
>> for the bib database? I've tried both but I'm not sure which is
>> working. 
>> \addbibresource{uh2014.bib}
>> \bibliography{uh2014}
>
> Use \addbibressource{·} where · is the path to your bib-file.
>
>> This is part of "uh2014.bib"
>> @Article{MacRae2002,
>>   author = {MacRae K. Pattison J.},
>
> this should be
>
>      {K. MacRae and J. Pattison}
>      
> or
>         
>     {MacRae, K. and Pattison, J.},
>
>>   title = {Home chemotherapy.},
>>   journaltitle = {Nursing Times},
>
> journal = {·} is also OK.
>
>>   year = {2002},
>>   key = {MacRae2002},
>
> you probably don't need key. 
>
>>   volume = {98},
>>   number = {35},
>>   pages = {34-35},
>
> use -- for separating numbers.
>
>> }
>>
>> and in the text it is cited as
>> ╭────
>> │\cite{MacRae2002}
>> ╰────
>>
>> but it shows in the pdf as "M. K. P. J. 2002."
>>
>> How can I get it to show as"[MacRae2002]" please?
>
> \parencite{MacRae2002} → (MacRae, 2002)
> \textcite{MacRae2002}  → MacRae (2002).
>
> If you truly want the KEY to show up and not a combination of the
> author and the year you'd need some other style.
>
> With the option natbib you can also use natbib commands.  See
>
>      texdoc natnotes
>
> —Rasmus

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Re: changing from \cite{1} to \cite{MacRae,2002}

[Rasmus]

Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com> writes:

> Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us> writes:
>
>> Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com> writes:
>>
>> 2> Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us> writes:
>>>
>>>> Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am using latex and working on a document all in
>>>>>>> emacs. I have been using the biblatex citation system
>>>>>>> with the style "numerical", but now want to use
>>>>>>> "authoryear".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First, your post looks a complete mess! I don't know if
>>>>>> it is my Gnus but I doubt it as I haven't seen anything
>>>>>> that plain chaos (since my last birthday party at
>>>>>> least) - just type, man!
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong! I don't know of any "man" called Sharon! :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is how to do it - the trick is to not have any
>>>>>> "operational" data in the biblatex file - just the
>>>>>> sources.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For example, if you have the poor taste of taking an
>>>>>> interest in databases - in db.bib:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> @Book{mcfadden,
>>>>>> author = {McFadden and Hoffer and Prescott},
>>>>>> title = {Modern Database Management},
>>>>>> publisher = {Addison-Wesley},
>>>>>> year = 1998,
>>>>>> ISBN = {0-8053-6054-9},
>>>>>> edition = {5th edition}}
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then, in db.tex, you keep everything to it that relates
>>>>>> to *your* activity (the pages in this example):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> \cite[pp. 233, 237]{mcfadden}
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can see how it works in context here [1] - perhaps
>>>>>> there are a couple of settings in the .tex file that
>>>>>> prepare it all to work. Don't forget the Makefile so
>>>>>> you can invoke it all in one stroke.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, but! Your references appear in the text as numbers, i.e. [1]
>>>>> which is not what I'm after. I'm looking for "author/editor, year". 
>>>>
>>>> So pass the option "natbib" or "author-year" or whatever you prefer to
>>>> biblatex.  See "texdoc biblatex", section "3.3.1 Citation Styles".
>>>>
>>>> Or use biblatex-chicago. I use it like this:
>>>>
>>>> \usepackage[authordate, natbib, backend=biber,citetracker=true,
>>>>   uniquename=mininit, ibidtracker=false,
>>>>   maxcitenames=2]{biblatex-chicago}
>
> Thank you very much for your excellent and very informative reply,
> and it all works! I have only created one reference ATM, but I'll
> spend more time on it today. However, when I've created the
> reference and look at it in the PDF, it shows as "(MacRae and
> Pattison 2002)" but only 2002 is hyperlinked. How can I get the
> whole reference be hyperlinked please?

Don't know.  You could try to follow the advise here:

      https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/1687/hyperlink-name-with-biblatex-authoryear


> And in the references section it displays as
> MacRae, K., and J. Pattison. 2002. “Home chemotherapy.” Nursing Times 98 (35): 34–
> 35.
> Is there anyway in which the "(MacRae and Pattison 2002)" could be
> shown at the beginning of the reference so its easier to look it up
> when the book is printed please?

You'd need another style.  AFAIK, it's not part of the Chicago-style.


> Thanks
> Sharon.
>>>
>>> Thanks for this, using your "\usepackage" above, but which do I use
>>> for the bib database? I've tried both but I'm not sure which is
>>> working. 
>>> \addbibresource{uh2014.bib}
>>> \bibliography{uh2014}
>>
>> Use \addbibressource{·} where · is the path to your bib-file.
>>
>>> This is part of "uh2014.bib"
>>> @Article{MacRae2002,
>>>   author = {MacRae K. Pattison J.},
>>
>> this should be
>>
>>      {K. MacRae and J. Pattison}
>>      
>> or
>>         
>>     {MacRae, K. and Pattison, J.},
>>
>>>   title = {Home chemotherapy.},
>>>   journaltitle = {Nursing Times},
>>
>> journal = {·} is also OK.
>>
>>>   year = {2002},
>>>   key = {MacRae2002},
>>
>> you probably don't need key. 
>>
>>>   volume = {98},
>>>   number = {35},
>>>   pages = {34-35},
>>
>> use -- for separating numbers.
>>
>>> }
>>>
>>> and in the text it is cited as
>>> ╭────
>>> │\cite{MacRae2002}
>>> ╰────
>>>
>>> but it shows in the pdf as "M. K. P. J. 2002."
>>>
>>> How can I get it to show as"[MacRae2002]" please?
>>
>> \parencite{MacRae2002} → (MacRae, 2002)
>> \textcite{MacRae2002}  → MacRae (2002).
>>
>> If you truly want the KEY to show up and not a combination of the
>> author and the year you'd need some other style.
>>
>> With the option natbib you can also use natbib commands.  See
>>
>>      texdoc natnotes
>>
>> —Rasmus

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Re: changing from \cite{1} to \cite{MacRae,2002}

[Stefan Nobis]

Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com> writes:

> Thanks for this, using your "\usepackage" above, but which do I use
> for the bib database?

I think you misunderstand the cite command. When you type "\cite{foo}"
in your TeX source, the text inside the cite command (here: foo;
called the bibtex-key or cite-key) is just an arbitrary text that is
solely used to find the matching entry in the BIB-file and has nothing
to do with how the citation is formatted in the resulting document.

The cite-key is the first part in each entry in the BIB-file, so in
this example

> @Article{MacRae2002,
>   author = {MacRae K. Pattison J.},
>   title = {Home chemotherapy.},
>   journaltitle = {Nursing Times},
>   year = {2002},
>   key = {MacRae2002},
>   volume = {98},
>   number = {35},
>   pages = {34-35},
> }

the cite-key is MacRae2002. Besides the field key inside the entry is
a sort-key and has nothing to do with the cite-key to find this entry
and is solely used to sort this entry in the bibliography list (only
needed if you want to manually influence the sorting).

The presentation of the citation (what will be printed in the place of
"\cite{foo}") is controlled by the citation style (see biblatex
reference). So if you choose a numeric citation style, even \cite{foo}
will generate a number like "[123]", if you choose an author-year
citation style something like "First Author, 2014" will be generated
for \cite{foo}.

If you absolutley must use the cite-key in the generated document you
can achieve this with biblatex in the following way (see also
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/8428/use-bibtex-key-as-the-cite-key):

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
\usepackage[style=alphabetic,sorting=debug]{biblatex}

\DeclareFieldFormat{labelalpha}{\thefield{entrykey}}
\DeclareFieldFormat{extraalpha}{}
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

The option "sorting=debug" sorts based on the cite-key (instead of the
default sorting sequence). The default citation style is set to
alphabetic, but the two DeclareFieldFormat commands change the
generated text, so that instead of something based on author and year
the pure cite-key will show up.

-- 
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Re: changing from \cite{1} to \cite{MacRae,2002}

[Stefan Nobis]

Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com> writes:

> Thanks for this, using your "\usepackage" above, but which do I use
> for the bib database?

I think you misunderstand the cite command. When you type "\cite{foo}"
in your TeX source, the text inside the cite command (here: foo;
called the bibtex-key or cite-key) is just an arbitrary text that is
solely used to find the matching entry in the BIB-file and has nothing
to do with how the citation is formatted in the resulting document.

The cite-key is the first part in each entry in the BIB-file, so in
this example

> @Article{MacRae2002,
>   author = {MacRae K. Pattison J.},
>   title = {Home chemotherapy.},
>   journaltitle = {Nursing Times},
>   year = {2002},
>   key = {MacRae2002},
>   volume = {98},
>   number = {35},
>   pages = {34-35},
> }

the cite-key is MacRae2002. Besides the field key inside the entry is
a sort-key and has nothing to do with the cite-key to find this entry
and is solely used to sort this entry in the bibliography list (only
needed if you want to manually influence the sorting).

The presentation of the citation (what will be printed in the place of
"\cite{foo}") is controlled by the citation style (see biblatex
reference). So if you choose a numeric citation style, even \cite{foo}
will generate a number like "[123]", if you choose an author-year
citation style something like "First Author, 2014" will be generated
for \cite{foo}.

If you absolutley must use the cite-key in the generated document you
can achieve this with biblatex in the following way (see also
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/8428/use-bibtex-key-as-the-cite-key):

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
\usepackage[style=alphabetic,sorting=debug]{biblatex}

\DeclareFieldFormat{labelalpha}{\thefield{entrykey}}
\DeclareFieldFormat{extraalpha}{}
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

The option "sorting=debug" sorts based on the cite-key (instead of the
default sorting sequence). The default citation style is set to
alphabetic, but the two DeclareFieldFormat commands change the
generated text, so that instead of something based on author and year
the pure cite-key will show up.

By the way: Maybe you should have a look at newsgroup comp.text.tex or
at http://tex.stackexchange.com/. There are questions about TeX/LaTeX
more appropriate.

Crosspost & Followup-To: comp.text.tex
-- 
Stefan.

Re: changing from \cite{1} to \cite{MacRae,2002}

[Alberto Luaces]

Emanuel Berg writes:

> First, your post looks a complete mess! I don't know if
> it is my Gnus but I doubt it as I haven't seen anything
> that plain chaos (since my last birthday party at
> least) - just type, man!

I had no problems rendering it — gnus here as well.  Maybe it is a
problem with your unicode font/settings...

-- 
Alberto

Re: changing from \cite{1} to \cite{MacRae,2002}

[Emanuel Berg]

Alberto Luaces <aluaces@udc.es> writes:

>> First, your post looks a complete mess! I don't know
>> if it is my Gnus but I doubt it as I haven't seen
>> anything that plain chaos (since my last birthday
>> party at least) - just type, man!
>
> I had no problems rendering it — gnus here as well.
> Maybe it is a problem with your unicode
> font/settings...

On `C-u g', which presents the message with none (or a
minimum) of preceding processing, I see several
sequences that looks like this:

=E2=95=AD=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80

Here is what it looks like "in action" [1].

Do you know how to fix that?

I'm on GNU Emacs 24.3.1, on a Linux tty; on Linux
debian 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.57-3 x86_64
GNU/Linux; and the LC stuff are en_US.utf8.

[1] http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/pimgs/Sharon-chaos.png

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Re: changing from \cite{1} to \cite{MacRae,2002}

[Thien-Thi Nguyen]

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() Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se>
() Fri, 16 May 2014 19:40:18 +0200

   [...] and the LC stuff are en_US.utf8.

Maybe my system is weird, but i see "en_US.UTF-8"
in /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED and not "en_US.utf8".
Could that be the problem?

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Re: changing from \cite{1} to \cite{MacRae,2002}

[Emanuel Berg]

Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn@gnu.org> writes:

> Maybe my system is weird, but i see "en_US.UTF-8" in
> /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED and not "en_US.utf8".
> Could that be the problem?

That could be *a* problem :) But:

=E2=95=AD=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80
=E2=94=82\cite{MacRae2002}
=E2=95=B0=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80

"works" (well), only the auto-fill messes it up!

The --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
doesn't work, but that doesn't look like a UTF-8 thing,
does it?

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Re: changing from \cite{1} to \cite{MacRae,2002}

[Emanuel Berg]

Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com> writes:

> Wrong! I don't know of any "man" called Sharon! :)

The specialist doesn't make silly mistakes like
that. Here, "man" refers to "hu*man*" - just think of
it, otherwise you wouldn't even be allowed to read the
man pages. Mano a mano!

> Your references appear in the text as numbers,
> i.e. [1] which is not what I'm after. I'm looking for
> "author/editor, year".

OK, but in principle, it should be the same. Also, the
[1] is the scientific standard these days in my part of
the world, at least. And as you saw in the example I
provided, it can carry surplus information - pages, as
in the example - but: how to add what you seek (by
default) I don't know, but keep digging because that is
something that is 100% possible to automatize with
minimal effort and it should already be implemented, no
doubt.

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changing from \cite{1} to \cite{MacRae,2002}

[Sharon Kimble]

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I am using latex and working on a document all in emacs. I have been
using the biblatex citation system with the style "numerical", but
now want to use "authoryear".
At present -
╭────
│\usepackage[backend=biber,style=verbose,style=number]{biblatex}
╰────

What I want to use -
╭────
│\usepackage[backend=biber,style=verbose,style=authoryear]{biblatex}
╰────

And it appears in the bibtex database as
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
@Article{1,
  author = {MacRae K. Pattison J.},
  title = {Home chemotherapy.},
  journaltitle = {Nursing Times},
  year = {2002},
  key = {1},
  volume = {98},
  number = {35},
  pages = {34-35},
}
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

In the document it shows as
╭────
│ as a means of changing themselves \cite{1}
╰────

What I want to do is to end up with a citation like
╭────
│ as a means of changing themselves \cite{MacRae,2002}
╰────

How can I do it programmatically please? I.E. from the command-line?
I have 26 entries in my bibtex database so I want to do it before
it gets too big and unmanageable.

Thanks
Sharon.
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Re: changing from \cite{1} to \cite{MacRae,2002}

[Eric S Fraga]

On Thursday, 15 May 2014 at 20:09, Sharon Kimble wrote:
> I am using latex and working on a document all in emacs. I have been
> using the biblatex citation system with the style "numerical", but
> now want to use "authoryear".
> At present -
> ╭────
> │\usepackage[backend=biber,style=verbose,style=number]{biblatex}
> ╰────
>
> What I want to use -
> ╭────
> │\usepackage[backend=biber,style=verbose,style=authoryear]{biblatex}
> ╰────

Does this work?  If not, what happens?

The actual text inside the {} for the cite command has nothing to do
with the form of output generated for the bibliography.  It is simply
used by biber to find the citation you want to cite.  The format of the
reference is controlled by the style.

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Re: changing from \cite{1} to \cite{MacRae,2002}

[Sharon Kimble]

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Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

> On Thursday, 15 May 2014 at 20:09, Sharon Kimble wrote:
>> I am using latex and working on a document all in emacs. I have been
>> using the biblatex citation system with the style "numerical", but
>> now want to use "authoryear".
>> At present -
>> ╭────
>> │\usepackage[backend=biber,style=verbose,style=number]{biblatex}
>> ╰────
>>
>> What I want to use -
>> ╭────
>> │\usepackage[backend=biber,style=verbose,style=authoryear]{biblatex}
>> ╰────
>
> Does this work?  If not, what happens?
>
> The actual text inside the {} for the cite command has nothing to do
> with the form of output generated for the bibliography.  It is simply
> used by biber to find the citation you want to cite.  The format of the
> reference is controlled by the style.

After spending many hours on the bibliography I've got some
semblance of order for it.
╭────
│\usepackage[backend=biber,style=alphabetic]{biblatex} % this works
╰────
gives this in the text body
╭────
│This is despite research dating back 50 years which first proved the link between smoking and lung cancer [A54].
╰────
From this source
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
@Article{21,
  author = {Doll R Hill A.},
  title = {The mortality of doctors in relation to their smoking habits; a preliminary report},
  journaltitle = {British Medical Journal},
  year = {1954},
  key = {21},
  number = {4877},
  pages = {1451-1455},
}
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

If I run "biber uh2014" I get this
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
INFO - Logfile is 'uh2014.blg'
INFO - Reading 'uh2014.bcf'
INFO - Found 25 citekeys in bib section 0
INFO - Processing section 0
INFO - Looking for bibtex format file 'uh2014.bib' for section 0
INFO - Decoding LaTeX character macros into UTF-8
INFO - Found BibTeX data source 'uh2014.bib'
INFO - Overriding locale 'en_GB.UTF-8' default tailoring 'variable = shifted' with 'variable = non-ignorable'
INFO - Sorting 'entry' list 'anyt' keys
INFO - No sort tailoring available for locale 'en_GB.UTF-8'
INFO - Writing 'uh2014.bbl' with encoding 'UTF-8'
INFO - Output to uh2014.bbl
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

I'm using this bash script to build my pdf
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
#!/bin/bash
set -e
#set -x

#variables
filename="uh2014"

#############
xelatex $filename
biber $filename
biber $filename
xelatex $filename 
biber $filename
xelatex $filename 
makeindex $filename
makeindex $filename
xelatex $filename
makeglossaries $filename
xelatex $filename
xelatex $filename
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
and it is producing the output seen earlier in this mail.

So, how do I get a more worthwhile output, meaning with
"author/editor, year" please?

I've tried
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
% \usepackage[backend=biber,style=biblatex-chicago]{biblatex}
% \usepackage[backend=bibtex,style=harvard]{biblatex}
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
and in each case it says that it can't find the relevant .sty,
although if I go to
/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/biblatex-chicago I can
plainly see "biblatex-chicago.sty".

I think that there is something wrong in my work-flow, but I don't
know what it is, so if somebody can help it would be much
appreciated.

Thanks
Sharon.
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