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From: Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn@gnu.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: package and testing rant (was Re: package.el, auto-installation, and auto-removal)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 09:18:54 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bnobo6mp.fsf@zigzag.favinet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvtx245a9c.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 12 Nov 2014 17:40:34 -0500")

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() Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
() Wed, 12 Nov 2014 17:40:34 -0500

   I guess I just don't know what's weird about it.

Well, non-trivial packages require "make dist" to actually
DTRT.  That step presupposes "make" (and for conscientious
authors, "make check").  These are visisble steps and their
machinery is transparent to the authors.  For the user, the
steps are "configure" and "make install".  (All this you
probably know, i expect.)

For trivial packages, it's possible to conflate many of these
explicit steps, and that's what the GNU ELPA system design
does.  The weirdness is that this over-specialization is a
step backward from the Generally Accepted Packaging Practice.
It gives up the benefits of the "separate compilation" model
and forces the "interpreter" (phase-less) model on everyone.

I was initially enthusiastic about "bump version to release"
but now have come to the conclusion that i prefer GAPP.  I
feel more comfortable being responsible for "make check" and
"make dist", and delivering a fully-elaborated package, thus
owning (and learning from) my errors and not pointing fingers.
Call me a control freak, i won't deny it.

Besides, philosophically, when "make dist" is on the server,
then GNU ELPA is effectively SaaSS.  'Nuff said...

-- 
Thien-Thi Nguyen
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-11-13  8:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-11-07 13:45 package.el, auto-installation, and auto-removal Stefan Monnier
2014-11-07 14:12 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-07 19:50   ` joakim
2014-11-08  4:27     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-10 14:55   ` Phillip Lord
2014-11-10 17:46     ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-10 20:27       ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-10 21:49         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-10 22:02           ` package and testing rant (was Re: package.el, auto-installation, and auto-removal) Nic Ferrier
2014-11-10 23:24             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-11  2:53               ` Drew Adams
2014-11-11 11:41               ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-11 16:03                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-11 17:17                   ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-11 17:20                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-11 17:53                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-11 16:24                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-11 17:15                   ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-11 15:57               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-11 17:18                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-11 17:52                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-11 18:04                     ` David Kastrup
2014-11-12  3:20                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-11-12  6:48                         ` David Kastrup
2014-11-11 17:27                 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-11 18:20               ` Achim Gratz
2014-11-12 16:13                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-12 17:00                   ` Stephen Leake
2014-11-12 17:51                   ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-12 20:34                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-12 21:39                       ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-12 22:40                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-12 23:01                           ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-12 23:31                             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-13  1:09                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-11-13  5:06                             ` Richard Stallman
2014-11-13 14:59                               ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-15 17:09                             ` Stephen Leake
2014-11-15 18:20                               ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-16  3:49                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-13  8:18                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen [this message]
2014-11-13 10:53                         ` Phillip Lord
2014-11-13 14:54                           ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-14 11:04                             ` Phillip Lord
2014-11-14 22:56                               ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-12 18:15                   ` Achim Gratz
2014-11-12 22:21                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-13 20:21                       ` Achim Gratz
2014-11-12 13:05               ` Stephen Leake
2014-11-11 13:30             ` Phillip Lord
2014-11-11 14:12               ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-11 16:26                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-11 17:13                   ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-12 16:14                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-12 17:02                       ` Stephen Leake
2014-11-12 17:21                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-10 21:37       ` package.el, auto-installation, and auto-removal Stefan Monnier
2014-11-11  1:29         ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-11  2:26           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-11  2:59             ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-11  3:55               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-11 12:44                 ` Phillip Lord
2014-11-11 13:31                   ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-11 11:31             ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-11 16:22               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-11 17:10                 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-11 19:36                   ` Achim Gratz
2014-11-11 20:40                     ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-11 21:53                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-12 22:17                         ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-12 22:59                           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-12 23:26                             ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-13  0:21                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-07 20:00 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-08  4:29   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-08 23:18     ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-09  3:17       ` Stefan Monnier

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