From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ivan Shmakov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: debbugs.gnu.org: is it user-centric or developer-centric? 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X-Received-From: 2a01:4f8:d15:1b86::2 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:177800 Archived-At: Could someone please clarify on the proper usage of debbugs.gnu.org? Specifically, per my prior experience with the Debian BTS, the issues which the developers do not consider worth fixing, but which are otherwise valid, are tagged =E2=80=98wontfix=E2=80=99, but /not/ closed. The rationale behind that is that the issues both remain visible to the /users/ of the package, /and/ are known to be =E2=80=9Cdealt with=E2=80=9D (in a way) to the developers. Recently, two of my bug reports filed against Emacs (#17959 and #19109, specifically) were closed without the issues being actually fixed. This makes them eligible for archiving, which will hide them from the (default) BTS view. Granted, Debian BTS was established to serve /both/ the developers /and/ the users of the package (or at least it=E2=80=99s my reading of the Debian Social Contract.) I thus wonder if my experience is applicable to the Debbugs instance run by the GNU project; or if that instance is instead targeted primarily at developers, and thus merely sharing the knowledge of the existing issues (including those arising from some =E2=80=9Csingular usage pattern=E2=80=9D, so to say) among the users is out of its scope? TIA. >>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: >>>>> Ivan Shmakov writes: >>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: >>> So I'm closing this. >> I have no objections to classifying this as =E2=80=98wontfix=E2=80=99, = but I=E2=80=99d >> rather keep this opened for the issue to remain visible to the >> community. (FWIW, http://debbugs.gnu.org/ hides closed issues by >> default.) I stand corrected: merely closing the bug doesn=E2=80=99t hide it from the public view. However, it makes the bug eligible for archiving, and the archived bugs /do/ get hidden by default. > That's the point of closing bugs reports -- so that other maintainers > don't have to bother with them. Wouldn=E2=80=99t =E2=80=98wontfix=E2=80=99 be enough for that? > Closing again. --=20 FSF associate member #7257 http://boycottsystemd.org/ =E2=80=A6 3013 B6A0= 230E 334A