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From: Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.net>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Metaproblem, part 3
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 12:52:37 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bnnhlz3e.fsf@violet.siamics.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87bnnhox99.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (David Kastrup's message of "Sat, 06 Dec 2014 12:04:02 +0100")

>>>>> David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:
>>>>> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:

[…]

 >> The only reason I chimed in is because I'm one of those who would
 >> love to contribute more substantially, but needs guidance.  For
 >> example, I've got the basics of an epub-editing mode in place.  I'd
 >> like it to be a solid library, and would likely need assistance to
 >> get it there.

 > Can you figure out what is missing and phrase it into questions?
 > While there is the phenomenon that if you are asking 10 people,
 > you'll get 20 answers, I think that for basic problems the Emacs list
 > will not split into so many different factions of "do it my way" that
 > you'll get much more confusing answers from the group of people
 > reading this list than you would get from a single tutor.

	Furthermore, that’s where the discrepancy between vocality and
	productivity (so to say) may come to be an issue.

	My personal approach to the “how should I do this?” problem is
	to read the existing code.  (Literacy is gained first and
	foremost by reading, – not writing; computer literacy isn’t all
	that different.)  Hence, when I have an idea for which I could
	readily think of several implementations, my better question
	would be not “what of the following should I choose?” but rather
	“I want to do X; could you please point me to the existing code
	that does something like that?”

	And there, the more of the code I’ll be pointed to, and the more
	of that I’ll read through, the more informed my choice will be.

-- 
FSF associate member #7257  http://boycottsystemd.org/  … 3013 B6A0 230E 334A



  reply	other threads:[~2014-12-06 12:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 249+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20141203142859.24393.98673@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
     [not found] ` <E1XwAvL-0006M3-CA@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
2014-12-03 15:31   ` [Emacs-diffs] master e820f16: Added file-tree-walk to files.el Stefan Monnier
2014-12-03 19:31     ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-03 21:19       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-03 21:54         ` Metaproblem, part 3 Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-03 22:13           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-04  6:30           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-04  6:32           ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-04 15:37             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-04 16:06               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-04 17:53                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-04 21:48                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-04 22:53                   ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-05  4:40                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05  7:20                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-05  8:06                       ` Glenn Morris
2014-12-05 11:24                         ` andres.ramirez
2014-12-05 14:26                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 14:46                         ` David Kastrup
2014-12-05 14:47                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-05 18:38                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-06 17:29                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-06 18:05                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-13 22:03                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-12-04 15:40             ` Generate ChangeLogs (was: Metaproblem, part 3) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-04 17:23               ` Generate ChangeLogs Karl Fogel
2014-12-04 17:28                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-04 17:40               ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-04 19:09                 ` Achim Gratz
2014-12-05  8:07                 ` Glenn Morris
2014-12-06  2:24                   ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-04 18:18               ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-04 13:58           ` Metaproblem, part 3 Phillip Lord
2014-12-04 14:32             ` João Távora
2014-12-04 17:40               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 10:27                 ` João Távora
2014-12-05 10:45                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 11:21                     ` João Távora
2014-12-05 11:31                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 12:20                         ` João Távora
2014-12-05 13:16                           ` Kelvin White
2014-12-05 14:52                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06  5:38                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-06  7:07                               ` João Távora
2014-12-06  8:03                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-08 11:40                                   ` [mentor-request] a darkroom/writeroom mode for Emacs João Távora
2014-12-08 12:15                                     ` joakim
2014-12-09 11:46                                       ` João Távora
2014-12-09 12:45                                         ` joakim
2014-12-10  2:39                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-08 12:40                                     ` Rasmus
2014-12-09 11:28                                       ` [mentoring] " João Távora
2014-12-09 12:20                                         ` Rasmus
2014-12-09 13:11                                           ` João Távora
2014-12-09 14:56                                             ` Rasmus
2014-12-10  0:54                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-10  1:22                                                 ` Rasmus
2014-12-09 22:25                                             ` Rasmus
2014-12-11 11:22                                               ` João Távora
2014-12-11 17:15                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-12 11:19                                                   ` João Távora
2014-12-11 18:33                                                 ` Rasmus
2014-12-12 11:16                                                   ` João Távora
2014-12-12 12:09                                                     ` Rasmus
2014-12-15 12:01                                                       ` [mentoring-done] " João Távora
2014-12-15 13:06                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-12-15 13:20                                                           ` João Távora
2014-12-15 13:47                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-12-15 13:55                                                               ` João Távora
2014-12-15 14:38                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-15 13:19                                                         ` martin rudalics
2014-12-15 13:37                                                           ` João Távora
2014-12-15 14:15                                                             ` martin rudalics
2014-12-15 14:54                                                               ` João Távora
2014-12-15 15:28                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2014-12-15 22:10                                                                   ` João Távora
2014-12-12 14:27                                                     ` [mentoring] " Drew Adams
2014-12-12 14:38                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-09 16:32                                         ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-08 11:46                                   ` [mentor-request] Ecco - a literate programming documentation generator João Távora
2014-12-21 20:17                                   ` Results of the "mentoring" experiment Re: Metaproblem, part 3 João Távora
2014-12-21 21:22                                     ` Rasmus
2014-12-22 14:14                                     ` Results of the "mentoring" experiment Stephen Leake
2014-12-22 16:01                                       ` João Távora
2014-12-22 16:03                                       ` João Távora
2014-12-05 12:16                       ` Metaproblem, part 3 Phillip Lord
2014-12-05 13:20                     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2014-12-05 14:59                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06  5:45                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-06  6:18                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-06  8:01                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 16:32                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-06  8:29                         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2014-12-06 10:11                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 10:40                             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2014-12-06 10:47                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 11:04                           ` David Kastrup
2014-12-06 12:52                             ` Ivan Shmakov [this message]
2014-12-07  1:41                             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2014-12-09 12:29                               ` João Távora
2014-12-06 14:18                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-07  1:38                             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2014-12-06 10:51                         ` David Kastrup
2014-12-07  9:19                           ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-05 10:56                 ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-05 11:15                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 12:09                     ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-05 14:50                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-03 19:32     ` [Emacs-diffs] master e820f16: Added file-tree-walk to files.el David Engster
2014-12-03 19:53       ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-03 19:58         ` David Engster
2014-12-03 20:08           ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-03 20:28             ` David Engster
2014-12-03 20:58               ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-04 20:28                 ` David Engster
2014-12-04 20:46                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05  2:16                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05  8:06                     ` Glenn Morris
2014-12-03 15:34   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-03 16:41     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-12-03 18:08       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-03 18:36         ` Tom
2014-12-03 19:21           ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-03 19:27             ` Tom
2014-12-03 18:58         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-03 19:26           ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-03 19:11         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-12-03 19:27     ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-03 19:41       ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-03 20:03         ` Commit comment rules - and a metaproblem Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-03 20:26         ` [Emacs-diffs] master e820f16: Added file-tree-walk to files.el Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-03 21:14           ` More metaproblem Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-03 22:13             ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-04  6:38               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-04  8:38                 ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-04 10:11                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-04 10:23                   ` David Kastrup
2014-12-04 15:35                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-04 16:33                     ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-04 17:37                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-04 20:43                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-04 21:26                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 23:03                     ` chad
2014-12-04  9:08                 ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-04 10:01                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-04 10:11                     ` David Kastrup
2014-12-04 10:27                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-04 10:35                       ` David Kastrup
2014-12-04 11:01                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-04 11:07                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05  1:23                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-05  6:53                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-04 18:33                 ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-04 21:21                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-04 22:01                     ` Jorgen Schaefer
2014-12-05  7:08                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05  7:55                         ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-12-05  8:44                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 10:41                           ` the Emacs wiki Stephen Leake
2014-12-06 10:58                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 21:28                             ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-07 22:47                               ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-09  8:04                                 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-09 22:28                                   ` Alexis
2014-12-10 21:32                                     ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-06  5:11                         ` More metaproblem Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-06  7:47                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 11:52                       ` Nicolas Richard
2014-12-05 22:43                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-05 16:51                     ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-05 16:57                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-05 18:24                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05 21:16                           ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-05 18:56                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 17:27                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 17:52                         ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-05 18:39                           ` Glenn Morris
2014-12-05 21:23                             ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-05 22:24                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05 22:41                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-05 23:02                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 23:12                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06  4:58                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-06  7:42                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 11:35                                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-06 11:58                                         ` David Kastrup
2014-12-06 12:35                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 14:10                                           ` Werner LEMBERG
2014-12-06  9:27                           ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-06 10:20                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 11:41                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-06 12:37                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 13:16                                 ` David Kastrup
2014-12-06 14:22                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 18:19                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05 21:14                         ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-05 21:23                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05 18:20                       ` Glenn Morris
2014-12-05 18:56                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05 20:11                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-08 17:16                             ` Glenn Morris
2014-12-09 11:00                               ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-06  9:41                           ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-06  9:10                       ` maintaining FSF Emacs web page Stephen Leake
2014-12-06 17:57                         ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-07  9:20                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-09 12:30                           ` Alex Schroeder
2014-12-10  8:24                             ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-06  9:19                       ` More metaproblem Stephen Leake
2014-12-06 16:44                         ` Drew Adams
2014-12-06 18:41                           ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-06 19:24                             ` Drew Adams
2014-12-07 22:07                               ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-07 23:00                                 ` Drew Adams
2014-12-08 15:57                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-08 21:23                                 ` Przemysław Wojnowski
2014-12-09 16:54                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-10  9:16                                     ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-10 19:46                                     ` Przemysław Wojnowski
2014-12-10 20:48                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-10 22:10                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-10 20:09                                   ` Przemysław Wojnowski
2014-12-10 20:28                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05  9:58                   ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-05 15:44                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 17:37                       ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-05 19:36                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 17:34                     ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-05 17:40                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-05 17:54                         ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-06 12:04                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-06 18:56                           ` publicizing Emacs contribute Stephen Leake
2014-12-06 19:29                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-12-07  1:00                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-12-07  1:33                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-12-08  0:23                               ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-07  9:21                             ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-07 23:06                               ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-05 18:04                       ` More metaproblem Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-06 10:19                       ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-05 11:45                   ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-06  5:17                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-06 10:17                       ` David Kastrup
2014-12-06 16:45                         ` Drew Adams
2014-12-06 10:30                       ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-03 22:14             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-04  3:32             ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-04  6:25             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 18:37   ` master e820f16: Added file-tree-walk to files.el Michael Heerdegen
2014-12-05 18:57     ` Eric S. Raymond

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