From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How to cite the Emacs and Calc manuals? Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 12:14:58 +0100 Message-ID: <87bnmmpv0t.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> References: <87bnmnkpw4.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419851764 825 80.91.229.3 (29 Dec 2014 11:16:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:16:04 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 29 12:15:58 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5YIi-0001yo-0S for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 12:15:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:32932 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5YIh-0000Gu-4v for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 06:15:51 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56203) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5YIR-0000GI-9w for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 06:15:36 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5YIN-0001fz-TD for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 06:15:35 -0500 Original-Received: from msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl ([150.254.78.50]:51388) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5YIN-0001c8-Mr for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 06:15:31 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E01A414A4 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 12:15:08 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dWASAZce3spE for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 12:15:08 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (117-116.echostar.pl [213.156.117.116]) by msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 052B542061 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 12:15:07 +0100 (CET) In-reply-to: <87bnmnkpw4.fsf@debian.uxu> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 150.254.78.50 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:101747 Archived-At: On 2014-12-29, at 06:04, Emanuel Berg wrote: > Marcin Borkowski writes: > >> Hi there, >> >> as in the subject. (I want to offer some BSc thesis >> topics based on Emacs Calc, and I am required by my >> faculty to give not only the proposed title, but also >> some literature on the subject.) > > Do you cite that differently from other books? Nope. But: - what is the author? It says on the first page: "This manual, also written (mostly) by Dave Gillespie [...]" - so is it "Dave Gillespie" or "Dave Gillespie et al." or what? - what is the year of publication? It says on the first page: "Copyright (C) 1990-1991, 2001-2013 Free Software Foundation, Inc." - so is it 2013? - what is the publisher? I guess FSF, but they don't have it in their dead trees web page shop. - not to mention the place of publishing (usually it's the name of a city). So for me, it is not at all clear. > I know you know Biblatex: > > @Book{dyson, > author = {Peter Dyson}, > title = {The Unix Desk Reference: The hu.man Pages}, > publisher = {SYBEX}, > year = 1996, > ISBN = {0-7821-1658-2}} Well, I don't know very much about Biblatex, but an entry like that would solve my problem, of course. (Personally, I use amsrefs most of the time.) > By the way, I think it was gnuplot: the first time you > use it it outputs an entry just like that how to cite > it in a paper! > > While I think that is a bit silly, software COULD come > with an option, e.g. --cite so you could output it > that way (and/or it could be mentioned in the man > page). Why not? It is easy to do and some people would > actually use it as well. +1. At least the manuals (especially huge, well-written manuals like the Calc's one) could contain information like that. Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University