From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ivan Shmakov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20011: etc/PROBLEMS: updates, wording, typos Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2015 20:25:07 +0000 Message-ID: <87bnj3tzdo.fsf@violet.siamics.net> References: <871tl315el.fsf@violet.siamics.net> <83ioeeo6rc.fsf@gnu.org> <87sidize1t.fsf@violet.siamics.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1428179183 15318 80.91.229.3 (4 Apr 2015 20:26:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 20:26:23 +0000 (UTC) To: 20011@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 04 22:26:12 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YeUdv-0006tQ-9x for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Apr 2015 22:26:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34285 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YeUdu-0003st-PC for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Apr 2015 16:26:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52459) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YeUdq-0003so-BE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Apr 2015 16:26:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YeUdm-0000O7-Fh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Apr 2015 16:26:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:55157) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YeUdm-0000O3-Ck for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Apr 2015 16:26:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YeUdm-0000ih-43 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Apr 2015 16:26:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Ivan Shmakov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2015 20:26:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20011 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 20011-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20011.14281791172660 (code B ref 20011); Sat, 04 Apr 2015 20:26:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20011) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Apr 2015 20:25:17 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44933 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YeUd3-0000gp-96 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Apr 2015 16:25:17 -0400 Original-Received: from fely.am-1.org ([78.47.74.50]:37315) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YeUd0-0000gd-SV for 20011@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Apr 2015 16:25:15 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=siamics.net; s=a2013295; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date:Sender:References:Subject:To:From; bh=lk2k4NruepALX6Mf49YROkPvUfHsRsB5WMyPmquX1xs=; b=Cbb+vjGMs7gg9I4K7lyG3iyCHXO0NkPTJELYygoQJ/U2YWbTcS8SH/xjyt7hcFAhpyPbaE2zT1KHnfacDFUBkVKW3iNRWbcdSfNnqdcP8i+Z72NyCQFXsSKrSWoRKD39PE7/W0IH+XvsbX+OoYfzAHLzA+ChqDLu4Ns/TjJeqsE=; Original-Received: from [2a02:2560:6d4:26ca::1:1d] (helo=violet.siamics.net) by fely.am-1.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YeUd0-0001UL-AU for 20011@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Apr 2015 20:25:14 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=violet.siamics.net) by violet.siamics.net with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YeUct-0007GP-RJ for 20011@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Apr 2015 03:25:07 +0700 Mail-Followup-To: 20011@debbugs.gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Fri, 06 Mar 2015 11:58:38 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:101208 Archived-At: >>>>> Glenn Morris writes: >>>>> Ivan Shmakov wrote: >> AIUI, there's nothing wrong with using =E2=80=9Cwhich=E2=80=9D there, e= ither. > I disagree. Eg > http://blog.apastyle.org/apastyle/2012/01/that-versus-which.html There, it documents the in-house style. As for the English at large, Wikipedia quotes [1] Merriam-Webster=E2=80=99s (1995) thus: [=E2=80=A6] the facts of usage are quite simple. Virginia McDavid=E2= =80=99s 1977 study shows that about 75=C2=A0percent of the instances of /which/ in edited prose introduce restrictive clauses; about 25=C2=A0percent nonrestrictive ones. We conclude that at the end of the 20th century, the usage of /which/ and /that/ =E2=80=94 at least in prose = =E2=80=94 has settled down. You can use either /which/ or /that/ to introduce a restrictive clause =E2=80=94 the grounds for your choice should be styl= istic =E2=80=94 and /which/ to introduce a nonrestrictive clause. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_relative_clauses --=20 FSF associate member #7257 http://boycottsystemd.org/ =E2=80=A6 3013 B6A0= 230E 334A