From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What would an "An Official" GNU Emacs Book look like? 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X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:186787 Archived-At: chad writes: > The specific steps are both non-trivial and a moving > target, changing with new versions of iOS and > developer tools. A new version just came out, so my > experience is out of date, but with each version, > there is a way. If you would really like the > specific details of the current method, I can > investigate that and get back to you. If its enough > to see a recent method [...] > > I know you’re short on time and not overly fond of > web-based resources in general, but this one is > readable in eww. I certainly did not mean to imply > that it was *easy*, but my understanding and (not > incredibly-old experience) is that it is possible. > Certainly, the vast majority of developers simply > sign up for the license, at least once. For most > peoples intended use, its a practical requirement. How confident am I supposed to feel that I can develop and maintain complex software if it takes this effort just to get started, which is likely to change as well? The smartphones - if they are to earn their name - should just be small computers like any other (only smaller). You should just be able to bring over all your software on an USB stick or whatever, recompile, and that's it. Some of the executables might not run due to the smallness of the hardware platform and many other such details, but in essence, why should there be a difference? If I ever were to use such a device all time spent would be on things that are non-issues on my normal system, and doing stuff being aware of such a thing is frustrating to put it mildly. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573