From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How to quote a list of functions? Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 01:32:11 +0200 Organization: Informatimago Message-ID: <87bndw5klg.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> References: <87mvxug2us.fsf@nl106-137-147.student.uu.se> <87vbch1gb0.fsf@nl106-137-147.student.uu.se> <87wpwudby7.fsf@nl106-137-147.student.uu.se> <20150817062952.GD17453@tuxteam.de> <87wpwtbe71.fsf@nl106-137-147.student.uu.se> <87r3n07tve.fsf@mbork.pl> <87io8cyv38.fsf@nl106-137-147.student.uu.se> <87y4h7fjcz.fsf@mbork.pl> <20150819202135.GA7200@tuxteam.de> <87wpwo769m.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87si7c6w8k.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87zj1h5zfx.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87r3ms5y05.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1440459324 12604 80.91.229.3 (24 Aug 2015 23:35:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 23:35:24 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 25 01:35:20 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZU1Gp-0006h7-Fb for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Aug 2015 01:35:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57209 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZU1Go-0001dG-OL for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Aug 2015 19:35:18 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 67 Original-X-Trace: individual.net K15jPid/y+OWyVJ83yPTNAe08Fg4z9+BJ5nXj9+TLVY9gqGZOf Cancel-Lock: sha1:Njk0MzA0NjgyODRmNTk3ZWY2ZWJkNmFjNDBlOGI2OTJmMzYzOTUyMw== sha1:kG0EKjFXqQJgutGaBDox30Fewsw= Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAQMAAABtzGvEAAAABlBMVEUAAAD///+l2Z/dAAAA oElEQVR4nK3OsRHCMAwF0O8YQufUNIQRGIAja9CxSA55AxZgFO4coMgYrEDDQZWPIlNAjwq9 033pbOBPtbXuB6PKNBn5gZkhGa86Z4x2wE67O+06WxGD/HCOGR0deY3f9Ijwwt7rNGNf6Oac l/GuZTF1wFGKiYYHKSFAkjIo1b6sCYS1sVmFhhhahKQssRjRT90ITWUk6vvK3RsPGs+M1RuR mV+hO/VvFAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Accept-Language: fr, es, en User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:214539 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:106823 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg writes: > "Pascal J. Bourguignon" > writes: > >> A lot of emacs configuration can and is performed >> without having the corresponding packages loaded. >> Notably, with the autoload feature, packages are >> loaded only when you first use an autoload command. >> Therefore indeed, all the commands and functions >> that are not autoload, won't be defined when you >> configure them, and therefore you will have to use >> symbols to designate those functions that will be >> defined in the future. Or else you need to load >> them first. > > This reminds me of another discussion which is of > attitude and style rather than right or wrong: should > you load everything first thing or should you load > them when you need them? > > My take is if the stuff don't slow down the > interactive feel they should be loaded first thing, as > then you are yourself still warming up. Here, you can > afford waiting the extra couple of seconds. One or two > hours later when you are deep into the zone and your > brain is in overdrive then loading stuff can be > perceived as very tedious, especially if loading > doesn't work out alright and some detail needs to be > fixed. It is then much better to realize that first > thing, so it won't interrupt "real" work when you are > deep into it. Agreed. > The assumption is of course that all the loaded stuff > actually won't slow down the interactive feel. > Actually that is precisely what happens. Compared to > 'emacs -Q', my Emacs isn't as fast by far. I once > tried to quantify the difference, but the batch > workloads don't catch the interactive feel > responsiveness and the results weren't telling. > But I can feel it just by using the two instances. > However, the interactive feel is still very fast even > with all the loads, so it is OK, besides it is an open > question which is preferable: "slow" and steady, or > fast and gradually getting "slow" (which will > happen step by step with all the JIT loads). It is > like people always say they get more drunk with liquor > than beer, but I always say it is the change being > a steeper curve, thus more noticable, and actually > they get just as drunk with beer. There's a difference between "loaded" and "activated". What slows down are the hooks, filters, and things like font-locking that works all the time. Special care should be given to post-command-hook. But nowadays, font-locking mainly works in the background (ie. at idle times). -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/ “The factory of the future will have only two employees, a man and a dog. The man will be there to feed the dog. The dog will be there to keep the man from touching the equipment.” -- Carl Bass CEO Autodesk