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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
	John Yates <john@yates-sheets.org>
Subject: Re: Casting as wide a net as possible
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 20:48:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bn9yt79m.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2d1uenn4h.fsf@newartisans.com> (John Wiegley's message of "Thu,  10 Dec 2015 11:02:06 -0800")

John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com> writes:

>>>>>> Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:
>
>> My only point is that Lisp features really do make Emacs what it is. To
>> point out what Emacs is necessarily means pointing out some of those
>> features (IMO).
>
> I agree. The things that make Emacs great:
>
>   1. Highly consistent syntax.

Lisp does not have a program syntax.  Its data structures have a fairly
primitive read syntax, and you write down your parse trees in that
syntax.

That's what makes people hate reading Lisp code (since code is expressed
only in terms of lists, the punctuation is not useful for helping humans
parse the input, letting part of their trained pattern recognition in
the context of reading natural language go waste).  It's also what makes
programmatic manipulation of Lisp code including macro programming quite
more powerful and structure-preserving than macro programming in C or
other languages.

It's a tradeoff, and a good tradeoff at that, but I consider it silly to
try selling the downside of the tradeoff as an advantage.  The upside is
worth it without smokescreen.

-- 
David Kastrup



  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-12-10 19:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-10 16:46 Casting as wide a net as possible (was: First draft of the Emacs website) John Yates
2015-12-10 17:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-10 18:56 ` Drew Adams
2015-12-10 19:02   ` Casting as wide a net as possible John Wiegley
2015-12-10 19:07     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-10 19:48     ` David Kastrup [this message]
2015-12-10 20:01       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-10 20:17         ` David Kastrup
2015-12-10 20:19           ` John Wiegley
2015-12-10 20:50             ` David Kastrup
2015-12-11  7:09       ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-10 19:54     ` covici
2015-12-10 21:21     ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-12-14 13:05     ` Adrian.B.Robert
2015-12-14 16:21       ` raman
2015-12-14 18:21         ` John Wiegley
2015-12-11  7:08 ` Casting as wide a net as possible (was: First draft of the Emacs website) Richard Stallman
2015-12-11 16:14   ` Casting as wide a net as possible raman
2015-12-14 14:41 ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-12-14 15:01   ` Yuri Khan
2015-12-14 17:20     ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-12-14 17:59       ` Random832
2015-12-14 18:19         ` Yuri Khan
2015-12-15 18:12           ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-12-15 18:54             ` Random832
2015-12-15 19:03               ` Random832
     [not found] <<CAJnXXogJywM4xRM9OEF1RKEwOib_G_JJvj=YThhsUwFn6gHviQ@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found] ` <<fa45f69a-b8df-46f8-8fda-4735dc34e4dc@default>
     [not found]   ` <<m2d1uenn4h.fsf@newartisans.com>
     [not found]     ` <<83a8pi9l6o.fsf@gnu.org>
2015-12-10 19:15       ` Drew Adams

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