From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ivan Shmakov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: 4K Bugs Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 18:42:54 +0000 Message-ID: <87bn9dxd8x.fsf@violet.siamics.net> References: <87mvszdp6b.fsf@gnus.org> <567E4ABA.3080803@online.de> <83vb7lijub.fsf@gnu.org> <567EAECD.2070403@online.de> <83d1tti2xr.fsf@gnu.org> <87twn5mabk.fsf@gnus.org> <838u4hi24m.fsf@gnu.org> <87bn9dm9h3.fsf@gnus.org> <87k2o1xff8.fsf@violet.siamics.net> <87twn5jdly.fsf@gnus.org> <87fuypxenc.fsf@violet.siamics.net> <877fk1hxzd.fsf@gnus.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451155404 29665 80.91.229.3 (26 Dec 2015 18:43:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 18:43:24 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 26 19:43:17 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aCtoC-0000xe-Hw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 19:43:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39561 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aCtoC-0002Hl-3A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:43:16 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42212) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aCto6-0002Hb-9D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:43:14 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aCto1-0008IZ-Uv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:43:10 -0500 Original-Received: from fely.am-1.org ([2a01:4f8:d15:1b86::2]:33415) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aCto1-0008IV-LT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:43:05 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=siamics.net; s=a2013295; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date:Sender:References:Subject:To:From; bh=ddIXWYGSF+Yb68eLU5EgUfweMtgEeYQsH6YAl+ElqYw=; b=Jjx331edZQrrF6uqoaDYnAEyIZwFASAa1oln6q9LWSqo+q8nU2yvihTZh7vcYsLKP0GBvTNbCoYUgc5oSVX5JbYZZ60CHCmxzlGWDDlCwaL+wPswPPRN24xaExEyZYl4WUS9IrQrmD3bkHCGNGCTASfZlIUqJph/bvM0gopoLeI=; Original-Received: from violet.siamics.net ([2001:470:1f13:1eb::1:1d]) by fely.am-1.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1aCto0-0005DA-7O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 18:43:04 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=violet.siamics.net) by violet.siamics.net with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1aCtnr-0001fD-AU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 01:42:55 +0700 In-Reply-To: <877fk1hxzd.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sat, 26 Dec 2015 19:21:42 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2a01:4f8:d15:1b86::2 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:196908 Archived-At: >>>>> Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: >>>>> Ivan Shmakov writes: >>>> Semantically, =E2=80=9Cclosed=E2=80=9D means that there=E2=80=99s no = bug (any more) =E2=80=93 that >>>> is, the recipe given by the reporter does not reproduce the issue, >>>> or the reporter is found to be mistaken on the feature=E2=80=99s inte= nded >>>> (and documented) behavior. >>> I disagree that this is the semantics of "closed". >> That doesn=E2=80=99t sound constructive; what semantics do you suggest? > I think I described the semantics in the earlier message? The one > with critical/wishlish/closed? LI> From "critical" ("LOOK AT THIS!!!") via "wishlist" ("if you have LI> the time...") to "closed" ("I think it's rather likely that this LI> isn't interesting"). I believe that severity was made orthogonal to the (open, closed, archived) status (and to the tags) on purpose. >> Of course, there=E2=80=99s always an option of starting a =E2=80=9Ccomm= unity fork=E2=80=9D >> of the Emacs bug tracking system, so that the users can track the >> bugs the developers found to be unworthy of being open. > I don't know what this means. All the bug reports, no matter what > their statuses, are in the bug tracker. If you wish to follow only > the bugs that are marked all og > wishlist/wontfix/unreproducible/closed, that's just a couple of lines > in debbugs-gnu. Be my guest. I wish to follow the bugs that are /extant/, per the semantics I=E2=80=99ve given earlier. Such bugs may happen to be of any severity and may bear any tags; and per the semantics you suggest, they may also be open, closed, or archived. That is: there=E2=80=99s no way to /omit/ the feature requests that were actually implemented (or became otherwise irrelevant) =E2=80=93 and /show/ all the rest. The data to discern the two are simply not there. --=20 FSF associate member #7257 http://am-1.org/~ivan/ =E2=80=A6 3013 B6A0= 230E 334A