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Raghav" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22467: 24.5; Doc "Delete Selection Mode" Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:57:42 +0530 Message-ID: <87bn88a8cx.fsf@think.bvr.lan> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=shift_jis Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1453807767 23623 80.91.229.3 (26 Jan 2016 11:29:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 11:29:27 +0000 (UTC) To: 22467@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 26 12:29:14 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aO1o8-00066Z-O8 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:29:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43213 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aO1o7-0007z6-FP for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:29:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55328) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aO1o1-0007yx-Ve for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:29:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aO1ny-0001gu-Mq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:29:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:48424) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aO1ny-0001gq-Ic for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:29:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aO1ny-0001yk-CU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:29:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "B.V. Raghav" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 11:29:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 22467 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.14538076987553 (code B ref -1); Tue, 26 Jan 2016 11:29:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jan 2016 11:28:18 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36644 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aO1nF-0001xl-V1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:28:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35950) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aO1nD-0001xY-JP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:28:16 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aO1n2-0001bO-PN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:28:07 -0500 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:60293) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aO1n2-0001bJ-Lr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:28:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55099) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aO1n0-0007wi-9o for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:28:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aO1mw-0001a6-Vk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:28:02 -0500 Original-Received: from mail3.iitk.ac.in ([202.3.77.190]:60828) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aO1mv-0001Yu-Hy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:27:58 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp.cc.iitk.ac.in (smtp.cc.iitk.ac.in [172.31.1.22]) by mail3.iitk.ac.in (Postfix) with ESMTP id A918E10002D1 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:57:42 +0530 (IST) Original-Received: from think (unknown [172.20.220.29]) (Authenticated sender: bvraghav) by smtp.cc.iitk.ac.in (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A592D4F for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:57:42 +0530 (IST) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:111981 Archived-At: This is a documentation enhancement request: Where: (emacs)Top > Mark > Using Region `C-h i d m Emacs RET m Using Region RET` What: Change the paragraph from: By default, text insertion occurs normally even if the mark is active=81\for example, typing =81ea=81f inserts the character =81ea=81f,= then deactivates the mark. If you enable Delete Selection mode, a minor mode, then inserting text while the mark is active causes the text in the region to be deleted first. To toggle Delete Selection mode on or off, type =81eM-x delete-selection-mode=81f. Change to: By default, text insertion occurs normally even if the mark is active=81\for example, typing =81ea=81f inserts the character =81ea=81f,= then deactivates the mark. On the other hand, if you enable Delete Selection mode, a minor mode, then inserting text while the mark is active causes the text in the region to be deleted first. To toggle Delete Selection mode on or off, type =81eM-x delete-selection-mode=81f. Rationale: I essentially only introduced a paragraph change and an interjection. However, I believe that is necessary to make the distinction between the words `deactivate' and `delete' which are confused to be similar in the flow of reading. To illustrate, read the following successively: `inserts the character =81ea=81f, then deactivates the mark' `inserting [...] causes the text [...] to be deleted first' Though different words, `deactivate' and `delete', they get minced in the quick read, and are at least mistaken to be of similar behaviour, which is potentially misleading. And the fact is `deactivate'-ing the mark is normal behaviour of emacs, and `delete'-ing is a special behaviour for intended folks. Inspiration: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help/108581 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help/108583 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help/108591 In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll bars) of 2015-10-25 on trouble, modified by Debian Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11703000 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux testing-updates (sid) Configured using: `configure --build x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=3D/usr --sharedstatedir=3D/var/lib --libexecdir=3D/usr/lib --localstatedir=3D/var/lib --infodir=3D/usr/share/info --mandir=3D/usr/share/man --with-pop=3Dyes --enable-locallisppath=3D/etc/emacs24:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/24= .5/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/24.5/site-li= sp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp --build x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=3D/usr --sharedstatedir=3D/var/lib --libexecdir=3D/usr/lib --localstatedir=3D/var/lib --infodir=3D/usr/share/info --mandir=3D/usr/share/man --with-pop=3Dyes --enable-locallisppath=3D/etc/emacs24:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/24= .5/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/24.5/site-li= sp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp --with-x=3Dyes --with-x-toolkit=3Dlucid --with-toolkit-scroll-bars --without-gconf --without-gsettings 'CFLAGS=3D-g -O2 -fstack-protector-strong -Wformat -Werror=3Dformat-security -Wall' CPPFLAGS=3D-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=3D2 LDFLAGS=3D-Wl,-z,relro' Important settings: value of $LANG: en_IN locale-coding-system: iso-latin-1-unix Major mode: Info Minor modes in effect: TeX-PDF-mode: t minibuffer-depth-indicate-mode: t icicle-mode: t icicle-ido-like-mode: 127 global-subword-mode: t subword-mode: t show-paren-mode: t electric-pair-mode: t display-battery-mode: t display-time-mode: t global-reveal-mode: t reveal-mode: t global-linum-mode: t linum-mode: t tooltip-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t buffer-read-only: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent messages: Wrote /home/bvr/academics/misc/gl/inc/bvr/sosys/TransformSeq.hpp Mark set Saving file /home/bvr/academics/misc/gl/inc/bvr/sosys/TransformSeq.hpp... Wrote /home/bvr/academics/misc/gl/inc/bvr/sosys/TransformSeq.hpp Composing main Info directory...done Computing completion candidates... Found `delete-selection-mode' in Command Index. (Only match) Mark saved where search started Mark set [2 times] Computing completion candidates... 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