From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Joost Kremers Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 12:11:51 +0100 Message-ID: <87bn7mnpxk.fsf@fastmail.fm> References: <87mvr9wxqz.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87io1xwq1e.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87vb5wvzfz.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87io1wt4cc.fsf@wanadoo.es> <8737syoima.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <871t8iu277.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83d1s28kvh.fsf@gnu.org> <87r3gis7sm.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83twle71xy.fsf@gnu.org> <87io1us0te.fsf@wanadoo.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1455275553 31229 80.91.229.3 (12 Feb 2016 11:12:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 11:12:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 12 12:12:18 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aUBe5-0005UD-5r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 12:12:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59758 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aUBdz-0003U8-16 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 06:12:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56130) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aUBdt-0003Tp-93 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 06:12:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aUBdj-0003tC-A9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 06:11:58 -0500 Original-Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.29]:49142) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aUBdj-0003s2-6S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 06:11:55 -0500 Original-Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B3E2112B for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 06:11:53 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from frontend2 ([10.202.2.161]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 12 Feb 2016 06:11:53 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.fm; h=cc :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=3eAU8Eg00L7t4+DdFHTSI/cLy8M=; b=Sk8el/ zaNSDiEl8RclLVtvIyWizHBeeYy3z0pjTwTiHmgiRGtOLXG0lzAbFHKljtbswPRx BPkZ5IOU42m1zsEjzAEgfY0/P05T625DIybuOyfQUmdIW/NruoDcQRi1lern8yRo SCa95TXbvo+8YTg7txu1mWDqjb/Y1GCBvD1OE= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=3eAU8Eg00L7t4+D dFHTSI/cLy8M=; b=IRfefotJ17yU3AuVOosVfY8PYwc+wazfpPNJYoUb/z7aMNa RqLKdHFA1NLMMkiS4nOhwrc0yKrwUb5cIOeHYGxLPMkGdZfPf0nHPJkDcNMXjqML fHeU3YHG5uqm1ZYP+N0rx9oDcPPPpd4j5Xc736KCPFkpCIzuYdcRV/oSXbow= X-Sasl-enc: ABsN9RBLYbGvlXGtwNLUdDn0fys6VZ1bSQknlhfV4bUY 1455275513 Original-Received: from IdeaPad.messagingengine.com (x5f7764cf.dyn.telefonica.de [95.119.100.207]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id BABC8680123; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 06:11:52 -0500 (EST) User-agent: mu4e 0.9.17; emacs 24.5.50.1 In-reply-to: <87io1us0te.fsf@wanadoo.es> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 66.111.4.29 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:199807 Archived-At: On Fri, Feb 12 2016, Óscar Fuentes wrote: > No wonder that so many people seems to have a hard time recognizing that > ñ is a letter like any other in Spanish, not just an `n' with a tilde. Actually, without wanting to be pedantic, but ⟨ñ⟩ (the grapheme) *is* just an ⟨n⟩ with a tilde, regardless of the language one is talking about. The reason why a native speaker of Spanish considers n and ñ to be two different letters is because they represent two different *phonemes* of the Spanish language: /n/ vs. /ɲ/. The term `letter' (as an alphabetic character) is notoriously imprecise, which is the cause of much confusion. -- Joost Kremers Life has its moments