From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] emacs-25 a9c48d5: Additional fixes for file notification Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 12:58:04 +1100 Message-ID: <87bn78ur0z.fsf@gnus.org> References: <20160222175244.30186.2617@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <87k2lwv5ob.fsf@gmx.de> <87egc4v4hs.fsf@gmx.de> <8bd4ec21-1306-41bf-aca7-5571a3014337@default> <87r3g4js64.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1456192736 5592 80.91.229.3 (23 Feb 2016 01:58:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 01:58:56 +0000 (UTC) To: Emacs developers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 23 02:58:46 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aY2FQ-0006py-Sx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2016 02:58:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53196 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aY2FP-0006Mf-RO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:58:43 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33751) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aY2FM-0006MX-7S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:58:41 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aY2FJ-0008DX-1e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:58:40 -0500 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:53768) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aY2FI-0008DG-Qx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:58:36 -0500 Original-Received: from cpe-60-225-211-161.nsw.bigpond.net.au ([60.225.211.161] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1aY2Eq-0004sp-N8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2016 02:58:09 +0100 In-Reply-To: (John Wiegley's message of "Mon, 22 Feb 2016 17:05:38 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-MailScanner-ID: 1aY2Eq-0004sp-N8 MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1456797489.4999@d51T/E/EKbPPotJoqci/TA X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.224.195 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:200520 Archived-At: John Wiegley writes: >> Here's a list of `cl-' stuff that I like to use, which I think wouldn't >> bring confusion without a `cl-' prefix: `cl-find-if', `cl-remove-if-not', >> `cl-incf', `cl-position-if', `cl-caadr', `cl-rotatef', >> `cl-destructuring-bind'. > > +100 from me. I deeply dislike the cl- prefix, especially for common things > like incf and loop. Me three. > I would like to see prefix-less aliases for many of the functions in > cl-lib. Let's create a module cl-intf that requires cl-lib and > provides those aliases; and then allow cl-intf to be used in core, so > long as we ensure that cl-intf never shadows existing Emacs Lisp > functions also in core. I kinda worry about the back-and-forthness on this issue, though. Even if I really dislike typing and reading stuff like `cl-incf', at least we had finally arrived at a solution where those functions could be used. Do we want to rehash this discussion once more? :-) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no