From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Albinus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23006: 25.0.92; Loading Tramp breaks pcomplete in eshell-mode Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 16:54:23 +0100 Message-ID: <87bn69uouo.fsf@gmx.de> References: <871t7d4ion.fsf@gmx.de> <87oaagi128.fsf@gmx.de> <877fh0hovs.fsf@gmx.de> <756f60a7-bdf9-a806-b9d6-dbf17f0ebaab@yandex.ru> <87y49gg9sm.fsf@gmx.de> <845ef936-dec1-eac9-db2a-f2bb25f3a830@yandex.ru> <87egb8faxv.fsf@gmx.de> <8760wj3eks.fsf@gmx.de> <8760wj4jvp.fsf@gmx.de> <871t7650th.fsf@gmx.de> <87io0i32sq.fsf@gmx.de> <871t752nme.fsf@gmx.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1458489320 20609 80.91.229.3 (20 Mar 2016 15:55:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 15:55:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Stefan Monnier , 23006@debbugs.gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 20 16:55:10 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ahfh8-0005Se-DR for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Sun, 20 Mar 2016 15:55:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 23006) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Mar 2016 15:54:38 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55728 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahfgb-0006yP-Ug for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 11:54:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:58803) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahfga-0006y9-Lz for 23006@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 11:54:37 -0400 Original-Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([93.209.71.96]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MMCFR-1aj4Bw0zTZ-007zez; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 16:54:25 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 20 Mar 2016 08:38:10 -0700 (PDT)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:v3Vm88o66UipcV/gCFn8c5kzttR7gAoBPXmJULZNvh2kNSniuZj RdhatLmIxNkiBvNN1kIWUVGJf9zcb/tX1mOezRbgyPR8H3bZG9PRL9G5bm/uPZ1LDuZqnAV 5rmYZ1b69ZUCYRuVn/qtCdoe+vXi/B1FJWwGhqXuGHe1SqRWEzichtfcIgSwZEFLbRTXvJk IXBJZ+VOiW9ego+RcB6iw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:uP/7E7grUHg=:xv/1ynVdwFHU5bYDf8ptnj wSHq9/ENDYyk19au/crhZhK7rPGv7BGUAh7hEi23Yp9y23hpY8/V188rDADHlaDntGeEiyINR US7VEN8Zzl06GPp0qIi3bh4C8S/5SbHpqYNt+Uj2+8+m6D68g/WS7EB7TpfZPV/oJTKU4J6e0 Ve95fGG/mRLlJRHRQaov/5wrO5DdLwL+xmIe0RiNXC79EI6OhnpRKNESqRsjE9A6jahm41S1T dKuU+ogzBXFQj0HPWE3h4tvRYRb3yzaSLIb5UsQCddq9t6VZBEUZGQ/I5oeuPjvh7amD8yZAB a6cCTU9C1T61QTdXwFY0I7NEjxbu8TdH/wVVv5+HDYtOPt+va7cmNGNxTjHs10c+b+qDH6D5q OHzOlR+tmMDCFy6TdXpeKEFVmea6JbDiEq60k/QN0ssUyVHmeCIBap9UOU1ukd6/T41w+rQsx wRrvE6YtmbnFqeTMJqLuQy173XvWAIszd0quYfuC8cKUDDB/lej/EyZwJKKh+FP2UQjzkIKqR yfVEcbpHxfdfsDSNXHPEr4A+1hipM68IaDjCXE2q6nLZ4xoZpmwBQ2/tvbyQcfJMhy2TZ81hF DIUN8JhlsIfuAt33HP8Lk1MuFijtMmq3YZBbz+qlDF1ziE8IpPZkwNZcjOwBhdDHcqEinawaZ YqWrgZ2o8YQ0fPHxtFUOIqZD4UPoGPZ1jR/xeRuI1apxG6iv15nOGn9LD9vnahHRxuk1dec2i /nIuq9v7be6/7uqlLgRLsYhtIwqm3n8tURdYcNiSh1MM9sUq2GEyd9Qe4R/Lj2X/QugFlwPh X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:115147 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: > Of course, it's possible I'm missing something big here, in > which case I apologize. But my impression from what I've seen > so far is that you are now digging into the weeds in territory > where Tramp does not really belong. Maybe you are right, and I'll happily discuss this. But think about the difference of "a connection has already been established to a host", and "no connection has been established to a host". Tramp shall support file name completion at least in the first case. I don't know whether completion packages want to go into the business of deciding this question. Therefore, there must be a trade-off between completion packages and Tramp in order to decide whether to complete. Anyway, the purpose of *this* bug report is that non-essential hasn't been bound, and nobody could explain to me why it is wrong to bind it in pcomplete. I would like to fix *this* problem in the bug report, and discuss proper usage of non-essential somewhere else, in emacs-devel or another bug report. Otherwise, we loose focus. Best regards, Michael.