From: sbaugh@catern.com
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Managing environments (Python venv, guix environment, etc.)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 13:59:33 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bn1gnx4q.fsf@earth.catern.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 83zip1rfhk.fsf@gnu.org
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> It may seem to you that remote access is similar to a different
> environment, but in fact they are very different. Environment is not
> a property of a file name, it is a property of a project.
Environment is not a property of a project either, it's something else
entirely. A project doesn't necessarily have an environment associated
with it, and an environment isn't necessarily asociated with a
project. Treating it as a property of a file name or a property of a
project are just two possible interfaces/implementations; both will
limit the user.
Remote access was turned into a property of a file name by embedding the
remote host identifier into the file name. If we embed the environment
into the file name, then the environment also becomes a property of a
file name.
> Moreover, past attempts I know about to use file handlers for
> processing local files turned out to have subtle misfeatures.
I would be interested to see previous failed attempts to use file
handlers on local files, can you point me to an example?
AFAIK jka-compr.el works fine.
> Even more importantly, the _conceptual_ difference is huge, and it's
> bound to bite us in the long run, because people who work on the
> file-name handlers has the remote-access concept on their mind, and
> will write code that caters to those use cases, so we will sooner or
> later end up with code that subtly breaks in the environment use
> cases.
That is a very fair point, but I think the current state of file-name
handlers is functional for the environment use-case. And so if it works
out, not breaking environment.el can be considered in future
modifications to file-name handlers.
Anyway, isn't the file-name handler interface a generic way to abstract
over access to the underlying operating system, not just a method for
implementing remote-access? Wouldn't a change that caused file-name
handlers to be only usable for remote acces, be a bug?
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Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-07-14 21:36 Managing environments (Python venv, guix environment, etc.) sbaugh
2016-07-15 16:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-17 22:41 ` sbaugh
2016-07-18 10:15 ` Andreas Röhler
2016-07-18 14:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-18 19:13 ` sbaugh
2016-07-19 13:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-24 3:35 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-24 8:25 ` sbaugh
2016-07-24 23:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-21 0:32 ` sbaugh
2016-07-22 20:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-23 7:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-24 3:26 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-24 8:25 ` sbaugh
2016-07-24 14:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-24 17:45 ` sbaugh
2016-07-24 17:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-24 19:05 ` Spencer Baugh
2016-07-24 19:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-25 4:50 ` sbaugh
2016-07-25 17:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-28 0:47 ` sbaugh
2016-07-24 23:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-25 2:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-25 5:01 ` sbaugh
2016-07-25 17:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-25 7:07 ` Michael Albinus
2016-07-25 12:49 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-25 13:03 ` Michael Albinus
2016-07-25 13:06 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-25 13:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-28 0:02 ` sbaugh
2016-07-28 9:34 ` Michael Albinus
2016-07-28 14:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-29 17:59 ` sbaugh [this message]
2016-07-29 18:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-29 19:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-30 6:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-30 14:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-30 15:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-29 20:57 ` sbaugh
2016-07-30 7:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-30 13:30 ` sbaugh
2016-07-30 16:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-30 11:24 ` Michael Albinus
2016-07-29 18:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-29 19:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-26 2:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-24 14:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-25 0:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-25 17:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-26 2:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-26 3:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-26 10:45 ` Michael Albinus
2016-07-26 12:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-26 14:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2016-07-28 10:01 Spencer Baugh
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2016-07-28 10:08 ` Michael Albinus
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