From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Why is Elisp a lisp-2? Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2016 12:53:43 +0200 Message-ID: <87bmywxweg.fsf@mbork.pl> References: <25ac0468-e211-a62a-26d3-90d400c34937@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1475837718 8608 195.159.176.226 (7 Oct 2016 10:55:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 10:55:18 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: mu4e 0.9.17; emacs 26.0.50.1 Cc: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" To: Nikolay Kudryavtsev Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 07 12:55:14 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bsSnj-0006x8-3i for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2016 12:54:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33955 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bsSnh-00026a-93 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2016 06:54:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34866) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bsSmw-00023Q-2S for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2016 06:54:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bsSmq-000644-3C for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2016 06:54:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:46073) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bsSmp-00061w-Re for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2016 06:53:56 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A2541D6005; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 12:53:32 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vMrq5IrY0adM; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 12:53:30 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (chem-212-2-100-115.gprs.plus.pl [212.2.100.115]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 236CF1D6004; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 12:53:30 +0200 (CEST) In-reply-to: <25ac0468-e211-a62a-26d3-90d400c34937@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 195.110.48.8 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:111478 Archived-At: On 2016-10-07, at 12:17, Nikolay Kudryavtsev wrote: > From the time I started using Elisp I never gave much conscious thought > to it being a lisp-2 and kind of naturally treated it as a lisp-1. And > now it has finally downed on me that Elisp is actually a lisp-2. > > So here my question, what was the historical reasoning for Elisp being a > lisp-2? (trolling-mode 1) Because it is a serious tool and not a toy? /me ducks and runs (trolling-mode 0) Actually, I'd like to hear the answer, too. One conjecture is that Elisp being lisp-2 enables functions and variables with the same name (this is what lisp-2 means, right?), and RMS might have found it useful: there are quite a few such pairs in Emacs. Best, -- Marcin Borkowski