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From: Mark Oteiza <mvoteiza@udel.edu>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Change in files.el
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2017 13:41:31 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bmurjack.fsf@udel.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvpoj7jdax.fsf-monnier+gmane.emacs.devel@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sat, 28 Jan 2017 12:42:22 -0500")

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>>> Anyway, I definitely see what you mean.  I just disagree on the
>>> seriousness of the problem, and on the impact of the guideline on it.
>> The issue is not serious enough to prevent people from using the
>> methods you'd like to see, but I question the wisdom of having a
>> project-wide guidelines to _always_ use them is similar situations.
>
> I think the benefits are the following:
> - (eventually) more consistency, such as knowing that you can use
>   `add-function` will work right on any *-predicate or
>   *-function variable.
> - until recently, it was common for such variables to have a nil
>   default value.  Without an active effort to reverse this, we'll always
>   end up with such new variables introduced with a nil default value
>   (especially since it's very common for new such variables to have
>   a trivial default behavior, and only accumulating complexity later
>   on, at which point it's a lot more difficult to change the default to
>   be non-nil).

Wasn't the reason any of these defaults changed simply so that
add-function would work?

Having the default be ignore suggests that one can/should always funcall a
FOO-function, and its arguments (should it have any) will be evaluated.
In order to avoid this we now have to check (as is the case in eldoc) if
FOO-function is equal to nil or ignore.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-01-28 18:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-01-28  2:16 Change in files.el Richard Stallman
2017-01-28  2:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-01-28  9:10   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-01-28 14:40     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-01-28 14:57       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-01-28 15:31         ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-01-28 16:12           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-01-28 15:40         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-01-28 16:08           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-01-28 16:51             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-01-28 17:11               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-01-28 17:22                 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-01-28 17:30                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-01-28 17:42                     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-01-28 17:53                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-01-29 18:59                         ` John Wiegley
2017-01-30  3:57                           ` Leo Liu
2017-01-30 15:58                             ` John Wiegley
2017-01-31  4:19                               ` Leo Liu
2017-01-31 14:01                                 ` John Wiegley
2017-01-31 14:46                               ` Stefan Monnier
2017-01-31 16:21                                 ` Kaushal Modi
2017-01-31 18:40                                   ` Default value of variables named `*-function' [was: Change in files.el] Drew Adams
2017-02-01  8:35                                     ` Andreas Röhler
2017-01-28 18:41                       ` Mark Oteiza [this message]
2017-01-28 19:37                         ` Change in files.el Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-01  3:49                           ` Mark Oteiza
2017-02-01  7:33                             ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-02-01 12:56                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-01 14:12                                 ` Kaushal Modi
2017-01-29  0:21       ` Richard Stallman
2017-02-04  9:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-04 23:52   ` Richard Stallman

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