From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs user manual in Spanish Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 06:01:02 +0200 Message-ID: <87bmp2xj7l.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <20170702082424.GA3364@workstation> <86h8yuy7v1.fsf@zoho.com> <5ac97eb4-d897-4c35-b095-e76250398400@default> <8637aexz6l.fsf@zoho.com> <86o9t2wjhe.fsf@zoho.com> <87shiebe96.fsf@wanadoo.es> <77DD6B65-5E66-4182-8433-F6528025C82C@gmail.com> <86h8yuw8qt.fsf@zoho.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1499054516 24729 195.159.176.226 (3 Jul 2017 04:01:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 04:01:56 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 03 06:01:45 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dRsYR-0005lO-9n for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Jul 2017 06:01:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60211 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dRsYW-00006o-HF for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Jul 2017 00:01:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34421) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dRsY2-00006h-Cx for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jul 2017 00:01:19 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dRsXy-0003XP-Gp for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jul 2017 00:01:18 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=52671 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dRsXy-0003Rd-AT for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jul 2017 00:01:14 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dRsXo-0003n4-J7 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jul 2017 06:01:04 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 73 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:V9RiV0pWdxkb4f0/dR9ZGyE0eyM= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:113657 Archived-At: Jean-Christophe Helary writes: > The reality is actually that the trend it going the > other way. More and more contents are translated and > more translations create more demand for > translation. Dream on. Take the Unix man pages for example. Despite thousands of man hours put into it (no pun intended) there is no translation even close to matching the English original. Except for possible the French, incidentally. > The real deal is having quality native language > ressources, not half backed "standard" English > documentation written by non native speakers as is > most often the case... There is nothing wrong with that. On the contrary. In the USA, all thru its history and even today, there are tons of people using English in ways that would make an old English tutor in Manchester blush. But that doesn't stop the technology from benefiting immensely from it, as well as everything else. > As I said, your minority language point of view does > not reflect the the reality of most major languages > speakers all over the world. Deal with it. There is no minority language point of view. If it is, French is as much a minority language. A bigger minority, yes, but still a minority. But again, mine point of view isn't my native language, or Swedish, because my native technology language *is* English. My entire education, five years of CS, was in English - lectures, books, exams, every program or piece of documentation we ever wrote. Tho housed in Sweden, we were always a minority among people from all over the world. A small, but obviously very skilled minority :) With the natural Anglophone world, i.e. the UK, the USA, South Africa, to some extent India, as well as many other places, with this huge natural English speaking world, *in addition* to all the people who have made English their native technology language, and granted the role the Anglophone world has played and is playing, even the big non-English languages like Spanish, Russian, French and so on will *never* be able to compete in full. If you don't acquire English, you do yourself an injustice. If you are on a Linux system, you might know the Linux kernel was written by a university student in Finland. OK, originally Unix is a US thing but nevermind. Scandinavian and continental European contributions to Linux are *immense*. Development communication is on the Linux kernel mailing list, or LKML. Traffic reaches thousands of posts every week. And every single one of them - in English. It is also telling that you keep brining up how small my language is. OK, so how big does the language have to be when people don't have to bother with English? Actually it benefits whoever and it has nothing to do with the size of their native language. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573