From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: In support of Jonas Bernoulli's Magit Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2017 11:25:28 +0200 Message-ID: <87bmouvu5z.fsf@jane> References: <8737aac0rb.fsf@wanadoo.es> <7s37aapc4g.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1499592371 12689 195.159.176.226 (9 Jul 2017 09:26:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2017 09:26:11 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: mu4e 0.9.19; emacs 26.0.50 Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Richard Stallman , Stefan Monnier To: raman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 09 11:26:05 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dU8TY-0002cZ-6H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Jul 2017 11:26:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35475 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dU8Ta-00034w-E5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Jul 2017 05:26:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55068) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dU8TU-00034f-83 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Jul 2017 05:25:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dU8TP-0005nc-9a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Jul 2017 05:25:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:57361) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dU8TP-0005hM-2Y; Sun, 09 Jul 2017 05:25:51 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5823E62B7; Sun, 9 Jul 2017 11:25:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kJeY5NBtmCLO; Sun, 9 Jul 2017 11:25:33 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (static-dwadziewiec-jedenpiec7.echostar.pl [109.232.29.157]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8DC23E626E; Sun, 9 Jul 2017 11:25:33 +0200 (CEST) In-reply-to: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.110.48.8 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:216355 Archived-At: On 2017-07-08, at 19:42, raman wrote: > For simple vc tasks -- and that typically equates to many things one > traditionally did in all VC systems, vc-git is what I use --- examples: FWIW, I sometimes use VC with Mecurial, and the experience is so bad that the _sole reason_ I switched to Git was the existence of Magit. The main annoyance is that if I edit _more than one file_, and press C-x v v, instead of committing my all changes (or at least asking me about it), it only commits the changes in the currently edited file. Several times I made an incomplete commit because of that. I tried to find an option to override this, but to no avail. _That alone_ renders VC totally unusable, annoying, broken and actively harmful for me. Now that I think of it, I could have written a bug report (or even try to implement this myself). But you know what? I just switched to Git and started to use Magit, because it is so much better. Now, vc-dir seems similar to magit-status. But it has one _huge_ drawback: it requires me to press RET each time after I invoke it. (Why would I want to invoke vc-dir for some other directory than the one I'm in anyway? And in such rare cases, C-u would handle that much better.) Now that I think of it, I could write a trivial wrapper for that (and I might actually do it, for the sake of legacy Mercurial projects I have). But you know what? If you use Git, then why even bother when Magit exists? I guess that Emacs' VC with distributed VCSs is fundamentally broken, since it was really designed with RCS and its likes in mind, and imposing that onto DVCSs is awkward. I suspect that situation (with VC) is better now than a few years ago (e.g., AFAIK pushing/pulling is now implemented), but I haven't looked into it too much. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but I consider VC's utility (with DVCSs) to be zero _at best_. Best, -- Marcin Borkowski