From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: In Support of ELPA Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 11:02:43 +0100 Message-ID: <87bmonnxoc.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <87eftmejer.fsf@russet.org.uk> <87wp7ccnz6.fsf@russet.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1500027146 28534 195.159.176.226 (14 Jul 2017 10:12:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 10:12:26 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.2.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 14 12:12:17 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dVxa2-0006rU-5K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2017 12:12:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36705 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dVxa7-0000ep-IL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2017 06:12:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40417) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dVxQz-0000n7-BA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2017 06:02:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dVxQy-00021o-Fw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2017 06:02:53 -0400 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([78.129.138.110]:56072) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dVxQs-0001zp-J9; Fri, 14 Jul 2017 06:02:46 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=OkI8AaqZUiTFrXJHQeMSaZFaGiDqiuL0shlOMsIPFq8=; b=G7bdNAb/QIGxQNjYeWu0OH/NR uWPMnReEjyGX8TWLqvFuL07+NOPz18oE4gq0Dp8hZ2h4D7r8VXeaUG49iIcSMCgrX1lWlcV3zxhdS HgwTYvYbWhYve249iUI0nEH7X0GR7KNWop8QnViqSefqa/y0WWjGSKvXl3+NM504/RwvG6Lj6rPGd p2aicUDlB9CVR4jpW4NTK790GL/T4ghaj0GD8SzEoI2y09Vwd4HjGAPwDsQPJcMK0qiPHS5eURvW0 x9zGMi+ENPrIocf9dA8D187/PpMPCSEc1EFKDy+pik4c5xTCR1s4MeSku7a9AC5iblTCuyAzlBr+/ EIUZbBCyw==; Original-Received: from janus-nat-128-240-225-75.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.225.75]:38416 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dVxQp-003zem-Pe; Fri, 14 Jul 2017 10:02:43 +0000 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu, 13 Jul 2017 21:20:00 -0400") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 78.129.138.110 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:216645 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > If the outside host is someone who has write access to ELPA does it make > > any difference? > > The difference is whether the Emacs maintainers have write access > to those sources in their main repository. Personally, I think this is not necessary. The Emacs maintainers can use PRs if they need to. Ultimately, if we accept the notion of a "downstream" it's far easier to make all changes there, rather than have to manage changes from two places. The ELPA repo isn't really set up well for development: it has a large number of independent projects in one place, and uses branches for something else. Reducing the friction of ELPA would include removing the necessity for changing the version control practices of existing projects. Phil