From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#17779: 24.4.50; (elisp) `Using Interactive' Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2019 11:29:27 +0200 Message-ID: <87blx4dkp4.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> References: <79a25ee9-e53e-494f-b7e3-ebd2e2eebafa@default> <87o9159k6k.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83r260dfbb.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="118846"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 17779@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 05 11:30:28 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1huZK0-000UoN-Dv for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 05 Aug 2019 11:30:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52056 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1huZJz-0001xE-37 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 05 Aug 2019 05:30:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60093) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1huZJd-0001wm-Gc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Aug 2019 05:30:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1huZJb-0007Aj-GU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Aug 2019 05:30:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:54038) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1huZJa-00078E-MU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Aug 2019 05:30:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1huZJa-00066D-Gy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Aug 2019 05:30:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2019 09:30:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 17779 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 17779-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B17779.156499737323360 (code B ref 17779); Mon, 05 Aug 2019 09:30:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 17779) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Aug 2019 09:29:33 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34623 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1huZJ7-00064h-Gv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Aug 2019 05:29:33 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:52702) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1huZJ6-00064Y-9I for 17779@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Aug 2019 05:29:32 -0400 Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=sandy) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1huZJ1-0000zd-R2; Mon, 05 Aug 2019 11:29:30 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83r260dfbb.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 04 Aug 2019 20:13:28 +0300") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:164626 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > It isn't an introduction, it's a full description of how to use > 'interactive'. And I find nothing confusing about that part of the > text, I think that single paragraph with 2 examples to illustrate the > issue is quite appropriate here. I hadn't read that section before, and I just found it an odd thing to talk about in that context -- as if there was something in particular about code in the interactive spec that has to be extra careful about buffer contents changing, when that's a general issue with points. > Please just leave this alone. I object in principle to making > significant changes in the manuals based on hair-splitting arguments, > not in the least because someone will always come back later and claim > that the new text is worse, or less clear, or whatever. Emacs has great documentation, but it (as everything else) can be improved. The argument you're making here seems to veer into the "well, everything is subjective, so let's not even try" territory, which I know you don't mean. While going through these doc clarification bug reports, I do close the ones I don't think are not worth doing and only bring up the ones I think could benefit from some consideration. But you think the text here is fine, so I'm closing this bug report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no