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Wed, 29 Apr 2020 02:32:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: <3aa1e901-c74e-e2cb-f47f-99aa939f3821@cs.ucla.edu> (Paul Eggert's message of "Tue, 28 Apr 2020 10:47:42 -0700") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:EmgAbpudjyKDjABmE2ua04jyQm6B6ILaeNjrbkJTKrjoBupW4YI fLjObpxga+BDXWbLQCvl+M7dAdy0NOMKbwP1GCrCZjjyPaCmJZqmxydEn+yS4AFUeZa7Uo5 7MMPfrAgo1gbSQgwCJ/mQ3ncovL0WAi3KQChgZKg9qxHjfWwOCA1Gb4f+kM0Qk1waJpIy+K 81RtqhGRB8sHFRM/LnVTA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:gkDg6GtArII=:W6LliTZW1Z5WnBMfHkpzJf vvzHrcrD9WhzV5AZ1OGhzOrwfvQpHnsurWIRkOcIEIPSSy9No3EEPhfRcnFOLRx/jWCWROwwM go5VIB6mtty+SzqUaRRQC8wIf5VdvJFgrEpot3NxFBiDlDW6iEnxsvAwywCxqoLaABebhqBZq R0jKp/djuzz7q8PFc25FlAaqd1Dzdggwtv2C8i3HAkdfpwUjvktd4V4cXsJOPn3lo9CK6uCK/ P36ojDkgjCXoIymiVbmR7VKqi8Hq4HEGy0+OAIy6uahC4NqO+DDcbfnaR+5KD84GVS/XUv3Pc YgRBXyJLuyoiStQggOOnUZzPpSEV7WhdbB34YtiTAxF1z0hzX8WmvfntEyj1F8D9qdKMjaMsY JRBO2NVBUcKy0qBdUU0qE5+wSOecbQWdQX6fAVEqS6/4cRNUCMqp4HRtaUC7KSlM+TXxa18PG h9XeF1UYRRAoLadzebtmNggIylgI2Qucv8hK/qvIly2IEigdQ1mVZNSE9dihVUp5n61aOmP8n swIR1OIQiig/UOrGM2vvQRjWbOLLkZoniyEbLP0RZdw0fuL0hhDSDXD8XPk7HoefF9ZtDuEgz PZPtXCjc8AXfKkEYeGLJVF5+YZLvUcS5QdoZYNk9q0xpLeC/Xoj4VGH+bpvmDhGOYkZ9mSzuZ owapBzSECBVskjAC58vwI/xriWQE+UjS1o8yLBX9wkGiEkmGr/VTtkn5DxShKxNreFPCWlfx8 9gMRCCJIfN2KvgxLn9iuBIHZw3N0mQmW2W2zk0RrE+eEBxr6mOOzITZIe1Qo3PochH0RX5zQ X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:179264 Archived-At: Paul Eggert writes: > On 4/28/20 10:25 AM, Drew Adams wrote: > > Has anyone agreed with you > > Nobody's happy with the current documentation's language (not even > me), but nobody has proposed specific wording improvements either. I think the feedback would be better if you had been more cooperative/ open minded at the beginning. You have started committing stuff without even asking whether people like your approach in general. What if people think slight rewording is not enough? You started the thing not very cooperatively, and that's how things developed. Just my point of view. > That's what committees do sometimes; we might not agree, but the guy > who does most of the work generates something that nobody has the time > to improve significantly. We all do stuff here nobody else has time to do. Obviously, in this case a collective brainstorming at the beginning would have been better. Apart from questions like "please give me a better wording for this I wrote if _you_ don't like it", why did you never ask "how could we improve this aspect of the manual, what do you think?" or "do people agree with what I have in mind?". Now stuff is already in the repo, it's inconvenient to review, and the committer doesn't seem to be very open to other perspectives. A lot of the discussion here currently is rather destructive, yes, that's not good, I guess everyone involved is to blame. Michael.