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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264117 Archived-At: >>>>> On Sun, 07 Feb 2021 00:33:08 -0500, Richard Stallman sa= id: Richard> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please conside= r ]]] Richard> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,= ]]] Richard> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's exam= ple. ]]] >> I can understand why we should avoid changing C-x o o behaviour, but >> what's the rationale for the capital letter after C-x rule? Richard> I think the reason is the simplicity of C-x -- that users shou= ld not Richard> have to remember one meaning for C-x a and one for C-x A, one = for C-x Richard> b and one for C-x B, and so on. To me C-x a and C-x A (or rather C-x-S a) are different key strokes the same way C-x a and C-x b are, but I guess it=CA=BCs possible others see things differently. Richard> That's not a super-important reason. It would not be a terrib= le loss Richard> to eliminate that rule. And if there were only one capital le= tter Richard> with a special meaning after C-x, that would not be a great co= st. Richard> But I don't think it would remain just one for very long. I think you=CA=BCre right there: 26 new possible keymaps, luxury! Robert