From: Colin Baxter <m43cap@yandex.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: , chad <yandros@gmail.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Cleaning out old X11 toolkits?
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:44:16 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87blcpn09r.fsf@yandex.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83v9axg3sr.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:09:56 +0200")
>>>>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: chad <yandros@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 14:18:27
>> -0800 Cc: "Basil L. Contovounesios" <contovob@tcd.ie>, Yuan Fu
>> <casouri@gmail.com>, Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org>, emacs-devel
>> <emacs-devel@gnu.org>, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
>> Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
>>
>> In more pragmatic terms, I would guess that it's entirely
>> possible to excise motif/lesstif, athena, and Xaw3d from main
>> without anyone noticing. Whether this is worth the effort in a
>> world leaning ever so slowly towards Cairo and pgtk is a little
>> hard to tell, but a quick grep through src suggests that it would
>> at least clear up a bunch of #ifdef spaghetti.
>>
>> Would the maintainers be interested in a branch that tried this?
>> Would it be better to wait for pgtk to settle first? Is there a
>> big use-case for those toolkits of which I'm unaware?
> I'm not sure I understand how a branch could help. A branch is
> generally used by significantly fewer people than the master
> branch. A branch that doesn't bring any new user-visible
> features, and just cleans up code, is unlikely to provide
> motivation for anyone to try it. So I'm afraid such a branch will
> just sit there unused, and will not bring us any closer to a
> decision.
> I think if we want to move towards removing those toolkits, we
> should try a different approach. Two ideas:
> . analyze the bug report in debbugs DB, and see how many builds
> are with any of these toolkits . look at GNU/Linux distros and see
> if they still provide builds with any of these toolkits, and what
> was the last version of Emacs when they did
> We should also somehow analyze the usage of these toolkits on
> other Posix platforms, although I'm not sure I know how -- do they
> offer distros similar to GNU/Linux? if so, we could include them
> in the 2nd item above.
> Once we have an idea about the usage and popularity of each of
> these toolkits, we could decide what changes are reasonable, and
> make them on master.
I would like to put in a plea for the retention of lucid. I build both
lucid and GTK versions of emacs. The former consistently loads about a
third faster and for text applications, e.g. auctex, I prefer it. I
write this knowing that my preferences can be dismissed as personal and
anecdotal.
Best wishes,
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2021-02-04 20:49 "Fix" sag scaling for hidpi Yuan Fu
2021-02-04 22:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-04 23:10 ` Yuan Fu
2021-02-05 9:02 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-05 10:24 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-06 10:00 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-06 11:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-06 11:35 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-06 12:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-07 12:05 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-07 13:14 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-09 20:01 ` Alan Third
2021-02-10 8:29 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-10 18:00 ` Yuan Fu
2021-02-10 18:07 ` Yuan Fu
2021-02-10 18:17 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-10 18:24 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-10 18:41 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-10 18:52 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-02-11 13:53 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-11 14:30 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-02-11 15:11 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-11 22:18 ` Cleaning out old X11 toolkits? chad
2021-02-12 7:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-12 8:44 ` Colin Baxter [this message]
2021-02-12 11:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-12 9:30 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-12 9:35 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-12 10:00 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-12 10:02 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-12 10:04 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-12 10:18 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-12 10:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-12 21:49 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-12 22:03 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-12 22:45 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-13 7:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-13 12:05 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-12 11:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-12 11:38 ` tomas
2021-02-12 13:26 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-12 13:57 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-02-15 16:49 ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-12 11:47 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-02-12 10:00 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-12 10:14 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-12 17:56 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-12 18:14 ` Merging native-comp and pgtk Stefan Monnier
2021-02-12 18:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-12 22:29 ` Andy Moreton
2021-02-12 23:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-12 23:28 ` Andy Moreton
2021-02-13 9:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-13 13:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-13 14:10 ` Andy Moreton
2021-02-13 14:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-13 14:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-13 15:48 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-13 15:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-14 8:34 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-13 9:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-13 13:07 ` Andy Moreton
2021-02-13 14:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-13 18:01 ` Andy Moreton
2021-02-13 18:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-14 7:33 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-02-14 15:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-13 9:26 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-02-13 12:45 ` Andy Moreton
2021-02-16 23:22 ` Phillip Lord
2021-02-17 15:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-17 17:32 ` Andy Moreton
2021-02-17 18:09 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-17 22:20 ` Andy Moreton
2021-02-17 22:52 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-17 19:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-12 23:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-13 9:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-13 13:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-13 14:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-12 21:47 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-02-13 7:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-13 11:16 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 11:28 ` Tassilo Horn
2021-02-13 11:57 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 12:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-13 14:53 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 20:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-13 21:03 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 21:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-13 21:42 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 22:48 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 23:44 ` Tassilo Horn
2021-02-13 17:38 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-14 18:36 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-02-14 19:23 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-14 19:32 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-02-14 23:18 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-15 14:15 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-02-13 13:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-13 14:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-13 20:32 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-14 3:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-14 4:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-13 14:58 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-14 18:34 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-02-14 7:42 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-02-12 18:32 ` Cleaning out old X11 toolkits? Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-13 9:01 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-13 9:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-13 10:29 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-14 12:50 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-14 15:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-15 9:48 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-15 15:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-15 16:02 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-15 16:13 ` tomas
2021-02-15 17:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-15 17:20 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-12 13:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-12 17:56 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-12 18:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-12 20:09 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-12 20:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-13 9:02 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-13 9:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-13 10:29 ` Colin Baxter
2021-02-13 13:24 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-13 13:53 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-02-13 15:49 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-13 19:23 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-14 8:35 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-14 9:33 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-02-14 17:16 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-14 17:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-14 18:18 ` Andy Moreton
2021-02-14 19:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-14 22:33 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-15 8:17 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-15 9:19 ` Andy Moreton
2021-02-13 14:39 ` Colin Baxter
2021-02-13 14:43 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-13 15:50 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-13 16:04 ` Colin Baxter
2021-02-13 21:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-14 12:41 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-14 15:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-14 18:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-14 19:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-12 11:20 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-02-12 13:33 ` James Cloos
2021-02-12 13:49 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-10 19:19 ` "Fix" sag scaling for hidpi Stefan Monnier
2021-02-11 14:01 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-11 14:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-11 15:16 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-10 23:55 ` Alan Third
2021-02-11 2:01 ` Yuan Fu
2021-02-11 17:34 ` Yuan Fu
2021-02-11 20:18 ` Alan Third
2021-02-12 22:47 ` Alan Third
2021-02-13 11:13 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 11:17 ` Alan Third
2021-02-13 11:52 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 12:54 ` Alan Third
2021-02-13 13:09 ` Alan Third
2021-02-13 15:09 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 16:00 ` Alan Third
2021-02-13 23:30 ` Alan Third
2021-02-13 20:09 ` Yuan Fu
2021-02-13 21:14 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 22:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-13 23:14 ` Alan Third
2021-02-14 0:02 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-14 2:06 ` Yuan Fu
2021-02-14 2:09 ` Yuan Fu
2021-02-14 12:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-14 9:58 ` Alan Third
2021-02-13 15:08 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 15:59 ` Alan Third
2021-02-13 21:08 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 21:53 ` Alan Third
2021-02-13 21:57 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 22:13 ` Alan Third
2021-02-13 18:29 ` chad
2021-02-13 19:52 ` chad
2021-02-13 20:06 ` Yuan Fu
2021-02-13 21:11 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 23:20 ` Alan Third
2021-02-09 17:26 ` Grzegorz Kowzan
2021-02-05 20:29 ` Alan Third
2021-02-07 21:58 ` Alan Third
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