From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#33164: Compiled function value information in *Help* Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 16:05:17 +0200 Message-ID: <87bl7wllr6.fsf_-_@gnus.org> References: <877ei2jj5a.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30063"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 33164@debbugs.gnu.org To: Noam Postavsky Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 23 16:06:11 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lw3W7-0007cw-4U for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 23 Jun 2021 16:06:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43774 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lw3W5-0006zB-56 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 23 Jun 2021 10:06:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43050) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lw3Vy-0006xF-9W for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jun 2021 10:06:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:58297) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lw3Vy-0005yQ-2M for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jun 2021 10:06:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lw3Vx-0007Kq-Ok for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jun 2021 10:06:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 14:06:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33164 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 33164-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33164.162445712928142 (code B ref 33164); Wed, 23 Jun 2021 14:06:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 33164) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jun 2021 14:05:29 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41607 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lw3VR-0007Jp-Lw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jun 2021 10:05:29 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:49168) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lw3VP-0007Ja-P6 for 33164@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jun 2021 10:05:28 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID :In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Iuz37rAjCW6IApn8S9PDl1519wFKmallysdkiXQaF0g=; b=kvXtGY39sgAhdX7XRRzEinwJOO VUamh0vkLoe/XprbNTqoFgd95Lu8msux6BjdFcaFpbGZ2cOPbgj0/jAfUApS3s3+LwSOQ30bBXxgm t47EqK+b4bWFY4BebRYcKmHVI2iJ/KzOPHq0zu4QFI3s+Y9Cy7qHs+0/p9tvvg8nridM=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lw3VG-0005YZ-0o; Wed, 23 Jun 2021 16:05:20 +0200 X-Now-Playing: The Clash's _Sandinista!_: "The Equaliser" In-Reply-To: <877ei2jj5a.fsf@gmail.com> (Noam Postavsky's message of "Sun, 28 Oct 2018 09:27:45 -0400") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:208901 Archived-At: Noam Postavsky writes: >> But it is less helpful than what we had back in Emacs 23, which printed >> the name or the lambda expression of the function that is the value of >> the variable. Examples: >> >> comment-line-break-function is a variable defined in `simple.el'. >> Its value is comment-indent-new-line > > This one is still the same in newer Emacs versions. > >> But just showing the byte code, even disassembled, is not so helpful. >> What if a user wants to go to the function definition, to use it as a >> model for defining a new value for the variable or just to study it? > > Similarly, C-h v float-pi tells me > > float-pi is a variable defined in =E2=80=98float-sup.el=E2=80=99. > Its value is 3.141592653589793 > > It doesn't show me (* 4 (atan 1)) for study. The help buffer shows the actual value of the variable, which may be set somewhere else than it has been defined. It's not feasible for the Emacs help system to take you to all locations a variable has been changed, so I'm closing this bug report. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no