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Thu, 08 Jul 2021 01:40:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83h7h5e334.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 08 Jul 2021 09:23:27 +0300") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:209663 Archived-At: >>>>> On Thu, 08 Jul 2021 09:23:27 +0300, Eli Zaretskii said: >> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2021 22:51:43 +0100 (BST) >> From: Peter Oliver >> cc: rpluim@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, 49424@debbugs.gnu.org >>=20 >> > The info page =E2=80=9C49.4.4 How Emacs Finds Your Init File=E2= =80=9D says: >> > >> > > For brevity the rest of the Emacs documentation generally uses = just >> > > the current default location =E2=80=98~/.emacs.d/init.el=E2=80= =99 for the init file. >> > >> > However, this seems to be inaccurate: if I start Emacs as a new u= ser >> > and make a customisation, that customisation is written to ~/.ema= cs. >> > >> > How can a simplifying convention in a manual be "inaccurate"? And >> > what does that convention have to do with the order and logic of h= ow >> > Emacs actually looks for the init file? >>=20 >> I understand the sentence to be making two assertions: >>=20 >> 1. Throughout the documentation, =E2=80=9C~/.emacs.d/init.el=E2=80= =9D will be used >> as a shorthand for =E2=80=9Cthe initialisation file=E2=80=9D, whatev= er filename that >> happens to have. >> 2. The default location of the initialisation file is =E2=80=9C~/.em= acs.d/init.el=E2=80=9D. >>=20 >> Neither is true. Eli> The 2nd one is not what that sentence says. Eli> If the 1st one is incorrect, it should be fixed to reflect the tru= th. Eli> But that has nothing to do with the rest of this discussion, which= is Eli> about the actual method and order Emacs uses to find the init file= (s). FWIW I agree with Peter's interpretation here. We could avoid the whole argument by deleting the whole sentence, since its information content is low anyway. Robert --=20